Technically their first names aren't the same. The actor has played a character in the same occupation as the person from Chicago and possibly based on the person.Q: Name a famous person from Chicago — first and last names. The last name ends in an E. Change the E to an I and rearrange the letters in just the last name to get a famous actor — whose first name is the same as the first person's. Who are these people?
Edit: The first names are AL(phonse) and AL(fredo). Al Pacino played Alphonse "Big Boy" Caprice in Dick Tracy.
A: AL CAPONE --> AL PACINO
Here's my standard reminder... don't post the answer or any hints that could lead directly to the answer (e.g. via a chain of thought, or an internet search) before the deadline of Thursday at 3pm ET. If you know the answer, click the link and submit it to NPR, but don't give it away here.
ReplyDeleteYou may provide indirect hints to the answer to show you know it, but make sure they don't give the answer away. You can openly discuss your hints and the answer after the Thursday deadline. Thank you.
The actor has in three films starred alongside another famous actor who was the last actor to portray the Chicagoan in major movie role.
ReplyDeleteThis was too easy. Giving the last letter helped a lot. Got it in under a minute.
ReplyDeletePretty easy puzzle. Should not have to even look at lists.
ReplyDeleteWill is just phoning it in this week.
ReplyDeleteBonus Puzzle - Take the name of a famous woman from Chicago rearrange the letters of the last name to get the last name of a comedian with the same first and last initials as the woman.
ReplyDeleteHint: Both people achieved their fame in the 20th century.
Are you sure they have the same last initial?
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DeleteYes, the two that I am looking at do. If you have enough patience, I am sure initials and names will come to you.
DeleteJohn & Joan Cusack.
DeleteNot the two I was looking for, but then there is no need to rearrange the letters of the last name either.
Deleteeco was wrong? I'm in shock! Fortunately I have my EpiPen handy.
DeletePaul, Will have to see come Thurs. Hard to tell around here what is a clue, or clarification or just a sly comment sometimes. ;~)
DeleteI figured eco was thinking of Ann Landers/Adam Sandler, but since Mort insists (and why wouldn't he) that the last initials match, I have no answer.
Delete"EpiPen" was a reference to Esther Pauline Lederer's nickname "Eppie". "Ann Landers" was her pen name.
My answer to the bonus challenge:
DeleteTake the name of a famous woman from Chicago rearrange the letters of the last name to get the last name of a comedian with the same first and last initials as the woman.
Hint: Both people achieved their fame in the 20th century.
Chicago Mayor Jayne Byrne → Comedian John Byner → JB
I reassured Eco that if he had enough patience the initials would come to him. This refers to the legendary Patience of Job. The initials JB is the title of a play by Archibald MacLeish based on the character Job.
Don't know if jsulbyrne tumbled to my answer when he mentioned Jane Byrne or if it was just coincidence.
DeletePaul is right that I was thinking Landers/ Sandler. I thought about Jayne Byrne, but John Byner is only vaguely known to me.
DeleteI now realize the Biblical significance of this administration: our collective suffering is part of Donald Trump's promise to increase Job's in America. We are all Job!
Hard to tell what is familiar to various people.
DeleteWould agree we will all need the patience of Job to get through this administration. ...and hope God will restore what's left of our nation when it's over.
At least I didn't waste two whole hours on this.
ReplyDeleteUnlike some 30 million viewers on April 21, 1986.
DeleteNo need for an after dinner drink to solve this one.....easy peasy
ReplyDeleteYeah - as several of you have alluded to, this one came right away - first try.
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ReplyDeleteGot it!! Too easy. Now what do we do for the rest of the day?
ReplyDeleteI feel your puzzle-pain, Nancy. If only there were a blog out there somewhere that served up weekly helpings of challenging and entertaining puzzles...
DeleteLegoLamentingLacksOfLustrousPuzzles
My apologies, Nancy, for the snarkiness of my above comment. What I ought to have written is:
DeleteThere actually is a blog called "Joseph Young's Puzzleria!" (see Blaine's PUZZLE LINKS) that serves up a fresh menu every Friday of fun-to-figure-out puzzles of varying degrees of difficulty. They are patterned after Will Shortz's weekly NPR challenges.
All are welcome. Drop by for a bite of a puzzle, or just to visit.
LegoSincereAlbeitStillShamelesslyPluggingP!
If you add an e to the first name, you get a product associated with one of these two people.
ReplyDeleteI'm not very good at etymology, so the actor's name is a little fuzzy for me.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping for Jane Byrne (no known relation), but neither Jane Briny nor Jane Birny is a famous actor.
ReplyDeleteFollowing performers and their roles across films, the Chicagoan and the actor are parent and child.
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ReplyDeleteChange one letter of the one of the last names to another vowel and you can spell that whole name in U.S. state postal abbreviations.
ReplyDeleteSame with a consonant.
DeleteAnd, there’s another weird connection to last week’s puzzle.
DeletePuzzle answer sounded familiar and found out why.
ReplyDeleteAnd it wasn't difficult to do either, was it?
DeleteSDB: I was misspelling the actor's name for a second or two.
DeleteYou may go to Brown U. for the answer to this one.
ReplyDeleteI think Will's trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
ReplyDeleteMusical clues:
ReplyDeleteBananarama
Ray Parker, Jr.
Smokey Robinson
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ReplyDeleteWas that a period piece?
DeleteThere is another musical clue, but it would be too much of a dead giveaway.
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DeleteToo many hints and allegations and things best left unsaid?
DeleteI'd say you've had either an incident or an accident here, but I'm not sure which.
DeleteToo right!!!
DeleteCranberry and I have been quoting lines from Paul Simon's song "You can call me Al". Referring to the answer AL as in Capone and Pacino.
DeleteLyrics go:
"All along along
There were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations.
If you'll be my bodyguard
I can be your long-lost pal
I can call you Betty
And Betty, when you call me
You can call me Al
Call me Al."
Sorry. That post contained TMI.
ReplyDeleteCurses, foiled again!
DeleteIf you remove the final "E" from the last name of the Chicagoan you could end up with an altered Andalusian.
ReplyDeleteA quick one today. These two people are connected in a couple of different ways.
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ReplyDeleteMany moons ago I was able to visit one of this famous Chicagoan's final place of residence. Fortunately it was just a brief visit and this person was not at home.
DeleteFrom the front yard there is a great night time view, while on the inside, this person's place was well maintained with very little clutter. A little too plain for me!
Chicagoan had a very diverse range of residences after he left Chicago.
DeleteCapone had a very nice mansion in Palm Island, Florida and a not so nice jail cell at the United States Penitentiary, Atlanta, Ga. In between he spent some time at John's Hopkins being treated for syphilis and gonorrhea.
DeleteHe also stayed at Alcatraz.
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DeleteProbably ten years ago we took the late afternoon tour of Alcatraz. It was pretty fun to visit but definitely not to stay permanently! We went by boat late in the day and left at night.
DeleteWhat struck me the most was trying to imagine what the prisoners must have thought while living there. On the one hand, how pretty the night time San Francisco skyline was and yet they were stuck on that barren island.
I still wonder if someone could have defied the odds (and hype??) and swam away to shore?? It sure seems believable that those three prisoners who did try it, actually succeeded.
I swam in a course race with the South End Rowing Club from Aquatic Park, San Francisco. They have monthly fun swims to/from Alcatraz and an annual official Alcatraz race as well. The water was quite cold (about 61 degrees F) but it is possible. . .and it's not that far if you are a decent swimmer.
DeleteI am a Jeopardy!, but despair of ever being an NPR Puzzle winner.
ReplyDeleteAt this point, I'll take the lapel pin for a puzzle like: Name a fruit. Rearrange the letters to name another fruit. Now drop the last letter and rearrange the remaining letters to name a popular children's TV character.
Stupid random selection.
Jeopardy! one-day winner, that is. Words were lost in editing.
DeleteI dare say I'm rather tickled by your puzzle idea!
DeleteAn auspicious day, too! Last of 2008. Hope the rest of 2009 worked out better for you.
DeleteAnyway, keep plugging away. I've got two lapel pins, but despite auditioning 3 times (I think of Maggie Speak as an old friend), I've never gotten that call.
I got on after one audition! Maggie is great, all of the staff are.
DeleteEvery week, every week! For years!
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ReplyDeleteI’m in real stew again!
DeleteSolved this so quickly that I decided to treat myself to pastry and coffee at my favorite local cafe. Very genteel little place with cakes and dainties displayed on plates with doilies. Had a slice of blueberry buttermilk coffee and a latte.
ReplyDeleteTMI
DeleteMy favorite: a half cantaloupe filled with port and coffee...
DeleteNicknames are wonderful things. I was surprised to get the answer to this one so quickly. --Margaret G.
ReplyDeleteMargaret: Glad to see you on this site. I think you were on the other blog that folded. I cannot recall the name though.
DeleteAn Englishman Solves American Puzzles
DeleteYes, that was it!
DeleteOh yes, that is definitely the name of the blog. I think some members of this blog did not like that other one very much.
DeleteIt is both. Magdalen is her name and his is Ross Beresford.
DeleteMagdalen and Ross were the leaders.
DeleteNatasha, It was her blog.
DeleteSDB: Thanks for letting me know. I thought they both ran it. I used to win the prizes. That was so nice of them. Not sure what they for for though. I think they live in the Bay Area like I do.
Deletecorrection: what they were for though.
Deletecorrection: They live in Pennsylvania.
DeleteYes, Natasha, I have been semi-active on both this site and the AESAP site. Also have been to Legolambda's, but sadly I don't usually have time to solve all those puzzles. I also don't post much - partly because y'all are much more witty than I, and partly because of my work's firewall. --Margaret G.
DeleteI enjoyed reading your posts on the other site. Hope you continue on this site.
DeleteWas it Crosswordman Blog. I enjoyed it over there too!
ReplyDeleteJoe: Yes, that was the name. Thank you so much. Now can you tell me the name of the people who ran that blog? Just cannot recall.
DeleteThis one took hundreds of Milliseconds to solve.
ReplyDeleteI am concerned about the health of our dear President Trump now his summit meeting with Hero Putin is over. I hope his knees are not overly sore and will heal quickly.
ReplyDeleteI keep getting that hell sinking feeling that things will not improve.
DeleteWhich is worse, the lunatic ravings of a rat that knows he's in a trap, or the complete lack of response from the system of checks and balances?
DeleteThis New York Magazine article offers some insights into a scenario for the rat. Similar to some of the reporting that David Corn with Mother Jones has done, and was in his book "Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump"
There are some Republicans speaking up:
Deletehttps://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=A99FDA26-673D-4560-B4EA-5AEDF0685EC5
Funny how they only talk as they retire, and never actually vote or act the way they talk - with a few very rare exceptions. They show all the backbone of the suited flannel moths that they are.
DeleteI agree. If a couple of Republicans would grow spines and not vote for Kavanaugh for Supreme Court Justice unless the Russia probe is taken as seriously as it should be. There’s not much else to leverage.
DeleteI heard tempers really flared on the plane ride back from Helsinki. I'd love to be a fly on the wall during that trip back home!!
DeleteSo much for "the art of the deal"!
DeleteI think John McCain pretty much nailed it: "No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant."
Delete"No prior Congress has ever abased themselves more abjectly before a tyrant."
DeleteAnd unless he renounces the Goons Of Putin and caucuses with the Democrats, that includes McCain.
How transparent dt was today with new damage control. How does he have the nerve to face the world and lie?
DeleteHe inherited the instinct and perfected it all his life.
DeleteI wonder how much info Putin got from that wired Soccer ballon the plane.
Deletecorrection: ball on
DeleteWhy would he bother bugging a ball when Trump will just tweet him anything he wants to know?
Delete"We have met the enemy, and he gives press conferences."
DeleteSome credit to Putin: you couldn't even see his lips moving when Trump was talking.
DeleteTouche. Wood vs. wouldn't delivery by Putin's dummy.
DeleteI think we have to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. After all, he might just be telling the truth. There is a first time for everything.
DeletePunctuation doesn’t trump body language.
DeleteSdb: you cannot be serious! Watch the video. I am so shocked.
DeleteNatasha:
DeleteI am being very serious. If you would read my post carefully you should be able to understand it, which you clearly did not.
I wouldn't not disagree with what you said. Wait, WHAT? Don't tell me.
DeleteFor SDB especially: VERY STABLE GENIUS.
DeleteRon - Good one, and so true!
DeleteSDB: Can you clarify?
DeleteNatasha:
Delete"Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." - Peter Ustinov
"Having to explain one's joke is to spoil one's joke." - skydiveboy
Pay close attention to my last sentence in the post.
Наташа: Не беспокойся об этом очень странном человеке. Мы постараемся привлечь его в нашу команду. Если он не хочет, то в следующий раз он скачет что-то плохое может случиться.
DeleteROLF
DeleteI don't think that posting here in Russian shows much temporal awareness.
DeletePlease post in English or make a case for not doing so.
Mendo Jim: не волнуйтесь, вы тоже скоро будете говорить по-русски!
DeleteWhy can't we all just get along??
DeleteExcellent 68C, allow me to add my own riff. Amazing what 5 minutes with internet and photoshop can do.
DeleteWhen you have bayonets, everything looks like a balloon?
Deletejan, Did you misspell buffoon?
DeleteEco: Thanks, that's a good one too!!
DeleteI had to look at other pics to make sure that May's outfit wasn't shopped too.
DeleteWhat if Don the Dolt showed up in a tank top and his doughy legs hangin' out?
Considering what else might be hangin' out I'll reluctantly suffer through the doughy legs. Stormy was right, he does wear tighty whities.
DeleteI hope the image of what else haunts you all.
Yeah, I knead to put energy elsewhere.
Delete
DeleteAaaahhhh!!!
Putin on his pants, one leg at a time . . .
DeleteTranslations from our Russian Troll:
DeleteNatasha: Do not worry about this very strange person. We will try to attract him to our team. If he does not want, then next time he jumps something bad can happen.
Mendo Jim: do not worry, you too will soon speak Russian!
Thanks so much Mort.
DeleteAlthough this Puzzler wasn't much of a head scratcher, Blaine's clue is a give away.
ReplyDeleteHere is my take:
ReplyDeleteA bunch of Thai kids got themselves stuck because they caved.
Trump can't stand being anything short of the center of attention.
Trump caved at his meeting with Putin.
If caving worked for some Thai schoolboys, then why wouldn't it work for Trump?
After about ten seconds, I thought I had the answer because I didn't see how it would be anything else. After thinking about it for awhile, I realized it wouldn't be anything else. So I submitted it instead of putin it off.
ReplyDeleteWWJD? (What Wouldn’t Jesus Do?)
ReplyDeleteLuv it!
Delete"Wouldn't it be nice if Mueller'd hurry/Then we finally could tell Trump "So long!"..."
DeleteApologies to the Beach Boys.
And while we're at it:
Delete"Wouldn't it be bad to be in Trump's shoes/After what he said the other day/Wouldn't it be great if he would please just go away?"
Apologies to Nik Kershaw(who?).
The name of the famous Chicagoan was the first name that came to mind on Sunday,but I was blind on the anagram until now with an "AHA MOMENT". Funny how my brain works. No attempt at giving clues, but i'm sure I got the answer.
ReplyDeleteAL(phonse) CAPONE, AL(fredo) PACINO
ReplyDelete“Will is just phoning it in this week.“ refers to Alphonse Capone.
“Change one letter of the one of the last names to another vowel and you can spell that whole name in U.S. state postal abbreviations.” To AL CAPANE (Pennsylvania) or AL CAPRNE (Puerto Rico).
“And, there’s another weird connection to last week’s puzzle.“ SCARSDALE and SCARFACE.
“You may go to Brown U. for the answer to this one.” CAPONE’s wife’s name was Mae and his son changed his last name to Brown to erase the CAPONE family name.
“Curses, foiled again!” refers to Al-uminum foil.
Al Capone > Al Pacino
ReplyDeleteAl Capone — Al Pacino
ReplyDeleteMy comment about puzzles this easy being criminal need no explanation.
AL CAPONE. (Alphonse)
ReplyDeleteAL PACINO (Alfredo)
Technically, they do not have the same first names.
My hint: (half) CANTALOUPE (-T, -U) anagrams to AL CAPONE. In other words, "Al Capone" is contained in "cantaloupe."
I wrote, "The actor has in three films starred alongside another famous actor who was the last actor to portray the Chicagoan in major movie role." Robert de Niro, who played Al Capone in _The Untouchables_, played three movies with Al Pacino: _Godfather II_, _Heat_, and _Righteous Kill_.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of last week I wrote "Seriously? Another anagram puzzle? ": Serious --> Sirius, the dog star --> the dog days of summer --> Dog Day Afternoon --> Al Pacino.
ReplyDeleteWe were talking about disturbing images earlier. . .
ReplyDeleteThey had this on the "Morning Joe" show, today. Pretty good!
DeleteI may have found what Putin has on Trump!
DeleteAl Capone, Al Pacino
ReplyDeleteSorry. Busy at the witching hour.
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ReplyDeleteМертвая утка: Хотели бы вы присоединиться к команде-победителю? Некоторые из наших агентов не так надежно, как мы надеялись.
Delete«Марш свободы и демократии оставит марксизм и ленинизм на пепельной истории».
DeleteКто это сказал?
Возможно, мы могли бы работать с этим бывшим президентом, у него был правильный уровень интеллекта. Но у нас есть то, что нам нужно сейчас. Теперь мы обеспокоены тем, что некоторые из наших других друзей не помогают, хотя в прошлом мы оказали им большую поддержку.
DeleteMy clue was:
ReplyDeleteIf you remove the final "E" from the last name of the Chicagoan you could end up with an altered Andalusian.
If you remove the final e from Capone you get “capon”, which is a castrated cock (chicken).
Andalusian is a breed of both horses or in this case, chickens. So a capon could be an “Altered Andalusian.
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ReplyDeleteTry again. My first post was evicted for the word “criminal”. So I responded with I’m In Real Stew again. That’s IRS, who nabbed Scarface in the end. The use of the word Stew, also refered to Jimmy Stewart’s nickname, and he starred in a gangster movie Northside 777 about Chicago mobsters.
ReplyDelete"...with cakes and dainties displayed on plates with doilies..."
ReplyDeleteA reference to those disposable paper doilies used to line serving plates. They're Paper Lace -- the name of the group who recorded the 1974 hit song "The Night Chicago Died" that mentions Al Capone.
Who has two thumbs and missed two calls from Weekend Edition at 3:06 while driving to Cape Cod this afternoon?
ReplyDelete[Points thumbs to self.]
This guy.
Wow, do you still have a chance to get on??!
DeleteYeah, next week.
DeleteBourne again, jsulbyrne?
DeleteEvery time I cross the bridge, WW.
DeleteMy brothers are, too. My Cambridge brother likes to tell newcomers to the Cape that they should take the Cape Cod Canal Tunnel, instead, avoiding all that bridge traffic.
DeleteHope you get the call again soon. Although, if you're in the CCC tunnel when they call, you likely will get lousy reception.
My father used to keep a Cape Cod Canal Tunnel "permit" in the back window of his car.
DeleteFor those of you wondering what this is all about, allow me to explain. Cape Cod begins in the town of Bourne, Massachusetts, and extends its flexed arm out to Provincetown. Bourne is split in half by the man-made Cape Cod Canal, which is traversed by three bridges: the Bourne, the Sagamore, and the Railroad Bridge. These are the only terrestrial means to the rest of Cape Cod, making traffic notoriously terrible. Locals like to joke with tourists about a fictitious tunnel under the canal for which only year-round residents can acquire permits. Phony permit stickers exist and can be found at local general stores. These same year-rounders can often be found standing on the Route 6 overpass Labor Day weekend waving goodbye to the snowbirds and other summer visitors as they drive off Cape.
Initially a private operation, the federal government took over management of the canal after WWI. TODAY happens to be the 100th anniversary of the Attack on Orleans, the only instance of enemy fire on US soil during the war. A German u-boat three miles off the coast of the town of Orleans, MA, fired at a passing tugboat towing a few barges. The tugboat was damaged and the barges sank as some shells made their way to the shoreline. During WWII, the canal served as a safe route for avoiding u-boats.
Are those three bridges a.k.a. The Bourne Trilogy?
Deletejsulbyrne, my brother-in-law thinks they should fill in the canal so he can get to Brewster more easily. Not likely, though.
DeleteI did not know about the attack on Orleans in WWI. Interesting history.
sdb, they are trying to keep the Bourne Identity a secret.
I am so sorry!
DeleteI believe I made the mistake of watching the first of the series where, if I am remembering correctly, he saves himself after being dropped from a high stairwell by hanging onto the back of some guy in front. Any skydiver would immediately know this would only increase the rate of descent and both would die (ear) regardless. I hated that movie.
AL CAPONE, AL PACINO
ReplyDeleteBananarama's first hit, "Robert De Niro's Waiting" was originally called "Al Pacino's Waiting".
Pacino played himself in Adam Sandler's film "Jack and Jill". The first hit for Ray Parker Jr.'s group Raydio, in 1978, had the same title as the film.
Pacino also starred in a film called "Cruising". With the "g" replaced by an apostrophe, you have the title of a hit song for Smokey Robinson(Cruisin').
"Robert De Niro's Waiting" was actually their second single off Bananarama's 1984 debut album.
ReplyDelete"Jack and Jill"(movie): 2011
"Cruising": 1980
"Cruisin'": 1979
AL CAPONE, AL PACINO
ReplyDelete> I think Will's trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
On the June 2, 2012, puzzle segment, Will noted that "Al Pacino" can be formed from the first five letters of "alpaca" and the last three letters of "merino."
My clues - no after dinner drink needed - was reference to “ca-Pacino”. Easy peasy was reference to “P”acino.
ReplyDeleteI posted and deleted a comment with no content. I was trying to convey that any post from someone calling himself Lorenzo and showing a picture of the Amalfi Coast contained TMI this week.
ReplyDeleteStay out of the Duck Boats. Even Mort Canard won't get in one!!!! I have seen them on the hiways and in the water. They don't belong either place.
ReplyDeleteKilled 17 people on Table Rock Lake this weekend and 4 people a few years ago when one rammed a tour bus.
(MC: I was tempted to post this earlier)
DeleteStill can't get over that Duck Boat catastrophe from last night, in Branson, MO., seventeen deaths so far. That area is a very popular vacation spot for this region. A few years ago, during nice weather, we took a ride on one of those duck boats and it was fun.
It sure is easy to second guess the decision to make that trip ahead of a severe storm. That storm passed our way as it headed south towards the Ozarks and it was pretty powerful.
Just still shocked that it happened. It will be very interesting to hear the full story on this tragedy.
Nothing at all surprising at the landing craft incident. I have been reading in the papers about them sinking and killing people since I was a pre-teen. They are death on wheels and do not belong on our roads or in the water.
DeleteThis all began after the end of WWII when they had all these landing craft left over that were sold as surplus. The forward landing ramps used to sometimes open in the water and the riders would drown. I was so disgusted when they came to Seattle, and now that they are still here.
MC: It does make you question the overall safety of the boats & how they are run! This could mean the end of 'em unless big changes are made.
DeleteSDB: What's really discouraging with these accidents across the country, is the apparent lack of maintenance. Plus, many of these owners don't seem to be very safety conscious either, at least as far as a general safety attitude. This all goes hand in hand, of course!
Delete68Charger:
DeleteWhen you say "hand in hand," do you mean like when Trump and Putin walk together?
Hah!! Someone needs to book them both on a duck ride!
DeleteI want to agree with you, but am afraid you may be ducking the issue.
DeleteSDB, these DUKWs aren't landing craft and don't have forward ramps. Don't need them, since they don't stop once they reach the beach; they keep on driving up onto the land.
DeleteSafety is not an absolute term. Any vehicle can crash if not used properly. Lots of companies have operated these craft without serious accidents for over half a century. I took a Duck Boat tour in Boston that included a proper pre-trip briefing on the location and use of life jackets. It's one thing to get caught in an unexpected thunderstorm. If, after being tossed around for as long as that boat on Table Rock Lake had been, the passengers weren't all wearing life jackets, that's negligence, not bad design.
Agree with most, except this was only "an unexpected thunderstorm" for those who weren't checking weather reports - modern radar tracking and computer modeling is excellent - sometimes annoyingly so as the local TV channels obsess over which neighborhood will get rain in, say, 15 minutes.
DeleteI spent a summer in St Louis many years ago, violent afternoon thunderstorms were almost a daily feature in July and August, turning the miserable hot temperatures into miserable hot and humid temperatures. And yes, the storms appear quickly, but are not a surprise. 68C, I assume the same for KC?
This started with human error by the captain and pilot in taking the boat out. I haven't heard the grizzly details, but one woman who survived was "thrown from the vehicle", which makes me wonder if others drowned while trapped under the canopy - life jackets would not have helped.
I am guessing that the Duck Boats are operated by small companies, so the lawsuits that are likely to arise out of this incident could easily mean the end of them around the Branson area. Am guessing they will be sued into oblivion.
DeleteLooks like the recriminations have already started.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/21/duck-boats-in-branson-short-federal-standards-inspector-alleges.html
As I recall the smaller outfits are under the umbrella (not canopy) of the main company. They are disreputable. They do not maintain their vehicles properly and do not follow safety recommendations that have been shown to cause fatalities. We here in Seattle are still waiting for the final outcome of our last major accident that killed several Korean university students who just arrived here to begin school. They were on a tour bus, showing them the city when a Duck wheel collapsed and it ran into the buss killing several of the. Another needless Duck tragedy. Prior to that there was a sinking here in Seattle that I am now vague about the details of. They are an extreme hazard on our streets and now have been banned from some.
DeleteMy biggest complaint with this Duck Boat issue is why that boat was in the water with that storm approaching. It's also something that there were actually two of them in the same area at the same time. Like Eco was saying, the tour boat operator has many weather tools available to keep pace of any storms. There was even a severe t-storm watch issued around 11:30 that morning. This week I have been trying to paint the house while dodging rain showers so I've had to keep an eye on the weather. The Duck Boat people should have been doing the same.
DeleteI just want more facts on this. Like I said earlier, they are fun to go on, but there just can't be any weak excuses regarding safety. On the one hand, It would be nice to know that the overall safety attitude of the boat company is reflected in a high degee of maintenence procedures but, that's only part of it. As we've seen this week, there's other things to consider. This blunder regarding the weather is another facet and is so appalling.
I still say though, let's wait and see what the investigation reveals.
I read that the boat changed it course before left. Also, I feel that anyone on a boat should be required to wear life jackets all the time. People on planes too.
DeleteHow about cars? Cars drive off bridges and wharves and boat loading ramps and into swimming pools all the time. And pedestrians? You never know when a flash flood will hit.
DeleteDon’t forget bathtubs and jacuzzis! Also, life jackets would not have helped most people in this accident. People were trapped under the canopy of the duck boat.
DeleteFull face mask scuba gear for everyone!
Delete.... including for the engine. Then, if the boat sinks, just drive along the lakebed until you get to the shore.
DeleteI know they have stopped the problem of the ramp coming open and killing large numbers of people, but they are still killing and injuring people. The company does not properly maintain their vehicles either. They were never meant to be used this way and are a major hazard.
ReplyDeleteThe life jackets are part of the problem as they get caught in the canopy and the person wearing one cannot escape.
This link is interesting and you will want to see the damage the duck did to the tour bus on the Aurora Bridge. Watch the video.
Deletehttps://www.kiro7.com/news/local/ride-the-ducks-of-seattle-releases-statement-after-deadly-incident-in-missouri/794471715
Test for WW, who is not getting her posts.
ReplyDeleteThanks, sdb. It worked this time.
DeleteSDB now happy. Good deed for today is done. Now can be naughty rest of day.
DeleteNext week's challenge: Name two parts of the human body. Say them one out loud after the other. The result, phonetically, will name something delicious to eat, in 7 letters. What is it?
ReplyDeleteCrown + nuts = cronuts?
DeleteThese aren't high on my list. --Margaret G.
DeleteOver 2000 entries last week.
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