Q: Name a form of musical composition. If you say the word quickly, you'll name something, in two words, that you might buy in a music store. What is it?
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OK, I have two answers. One of them seems likely to be the intended answer, and the other is more obscure, but a little cleaner. Either answer will probably be controversial. Whether I'm right or not, I'm with Tommy Boy.
I'm assuming (uh oh) that it would be more like a stylizes composition like: allemande, courants, sarabande, gigue, or sonata, concerto,rondo, waltz, mazurka, polonaise, etc.
quoting Mencken "vry problm has a simpl answr, simpl clar and wrong. and that is what I hav its so simpl it must b wrong. but I submittd it anyway so I'm don
I have an answer, but I'm not particularly satisfied with it. If it is correct, I found a link between three composers of three different music genres.
RIP Ed Asner Solved it via the last musical clue. Sorry, Dr. K. Can't see Mr. Asner liking either the musical composition or the music store purchase. pjbCanTakeSpunkOrLeaveIt,Actually
Hey Cranberry, What musical clue? Hey i just heard that 90 % of these storm surge related deaths are due to water. So if i was you i would definitely get that preserver on soon. My cousin is in Destin.
Mom went and found out she no longer needs physical therapy for her injuries, so that's good. Also, the worst of it appears to be in Tuscaloosa, and headed eastward, but Mom says you never know. pjbSaysMom'sNoMeteorologist,ButHe'sNoOptimistInTheseMatters,So...
Dr. K mentioned Miles Davis a little further down. Blaine hasn't even caught it yet. pjbSaysIt'sAGoodThingIt'sNotTheReallyObviousMusicalClueHeWasThinkingOf!
Plantsmith--We're about halfway between Greenville and Asheville. It's mostly been intermittent rain, not much wind, and no tornadoes so far (none that I've heard of, anyway). Right now, it feels tropical outside, and I'm about to venture forth into the "dark world and wide."
Came through there a couple or weeks ago on way back from Richmond. Edna chased us down and we were afraid to stop. Stayed in Hickory on way up. I am in Canton,Ga,
It's 2 AM and I was awaked by the sound of my own snoring. The snoring stopped and in its place was the answer to the puzzle! It's sometimes impossible to understand the workings of the brain! But is his really the answer?
s'not a clu. 3am yesterday I'm up for old guy reasons. As go back to bed I hear car's tires screeching around the corner and a metallic sound. I go out to investigate as my car is parked on the shoulder. I don't s the car then i see a car with hazards flashing parked perpendicular in my neighbor's driveway. it's my car still locked. my neighbor has th police on his phone. another neighbor who's up comes by. says h saw a car with man in it back up and speed away after haring the noise. finally police show up. officer says I'm experienced in investigating car crashes I don't see any skid arks or damage to car. finally he pulls me aside " Do you have Alzheimer's?" "No." "Are you taking Ambien?" "No." finally thy all leave and we go back to bed the next morning the tire tracks in the gravel are clearly visible. fishhead city cops are clearly not the sharpest knives in the drawer. somebody play the twilight zone theme
There used to be a popular record store in the Kansas City area called Caper's Corner. It was a very popular store that also sold tickets to all the big Rock concerts in the 60's & 70's. It was owned by Ed Asner's older brother, Ben. I remember going there several times and Ben Asner would be sitting up front behind the counter just keeping a sharp eye on everyone. As I look back now, he had the look of Ed Asner's character from the animated film "Up". That record store is long gone but it was big in its day, and I always associate it with Ben Asner & his brother Ed.
I’ve often pondered how many stores keep the less-PG materials in the back. You have to go past the outer family-friendly section to reach the Inner Lewd stuff. (It’s not always titillating, but on occasion you find something that Can Tickle.)
Waltz with all these musical puns? How many have there been so far, nearly forte? Mind you, it is a trill joining in with y'all, but any more of these and I may lose my tempo! You'd be hard-presto find more groaners like these anywhere else, not even in Key Largo! Sonata nother word, do you hear? pjbIsn'tTryingToStartAFugueWithAnyone,ButC'mon!
This puzzle is ridiculous. And I know something about music. In fact when I ordered a Bösendorfer Imperial Grand Piano and it was delivered with an extra 97 keys and an eight octave keyboard I knew right away to refuse delivery and send it back straight away. Just who do they think they were kidding?
I'd already solved before she hit, but never got the NPR confirmation email.
There are four other dogs here, so ours have joined the pack. Our dogs, both girls, are named Barracks (age 8), and Rampart (7 months), after New Orleans streets.
There are chickens here, and horses. Rampart nearly lost her mind when she met the three horses in the back field.
So, again, I May have a clue, but I'm more impressed with having AC and internet.
After a false start because I read the puzzle too quickly, (I was looking for two things sold in a music store) the answer came fairly easily, probably because I had been thinking of and reciting various forms of musical composition over a couple of days. It’s not a bad puzzle after all. There are a few posted hints above, including Blaine’s, that confirm the answer without giving TMI.
Actually, if one is looking for a musical composition that breaks into TWO things sold in a musical store, there's a clean answer that avoids all controversies about pronunciation. (It might be jan's alternate answer from early Sunday.)
I like this puzzle by Ari Carr of Madison, WI. I believe I have the intended answer. Just a guess, but this is how Ari may have come up with it: Someone said aloud either the form of musical composition or the 2-word something that you might buy in a music store. Ari misheard the musical composition as the music store purchase, or Ari misheard the music store purchase as the musical composition. There you go...Instant Puzzle!
I don't know why this still has me stumped. I keep coming up with almost, but not quite words. Da capo= the/a capo. Big stretch, I know. First time in a long time I haven't solved one. I usually love a challenge, but only until it's not a challenge anymore.
Blaine's clue, "I doubt many of these are sold," is a good one. It hints, I infer, at the rapidly evolving technology in the the cyber-age we find ourselves enjoying/cursing.
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Hi there, I'm back from summer vacation. I don't like this puzzle much. The way it is worded suggests the form of musical composition is supposed to be one word only ("If you say the word quickly…"). That would nix the only answer I managed to come up with. Some of the clues above suggest others might have the same answer, though.
My musical clue: Miles Davis —> Kind of Blue —> Rhapsody in Blue. (Any explicit reference to Gershwin would certainly have been TMI). I thought the clue was oblique enough, but I subsequently found out about Miles’s final foray into rap. Mea culpa, Cranberry.
And thanks, Crito. I liked your Goethe clue. I thought there might be some other literary clues, too—Homer, epics, etc. —> rhapsode—but none were forthcoming.
I was surprised that no one offered as a musical clue Joni Mitchell (—> Blue).
And, like clotheslover, I considered étude and oud, a popular instrument among members of my tribe, but I couldn’t make it work, so I moved on.
I wonder what happened to the confirmation emails that some of us didn't get.
Last Sunday I said, “Not a regular puzzle, but it works.” Merriam-Webster defines rhapsody as “a musical composition of irregular form.” And, of course, rhapsodies are “works” by definition.
Cap, I had to look that up myself (after the a cappella idea crossed my mind). Couplers are mechanical adjuncts that activate extra sets of reeds. Accordions and organs can have couplers. https://www.britannica.com/art/coupler https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/Coupler
> I have a valid alternate answer that doesn't require fast talking.
HORNPIPE, HORN PIPE As in, "I dropped my trombone on the floor, so now I need to go to the music store to buy a new horn pipe." "Fast talking" was sort of a hint at rap.
> 7 million or so is not very many, Blaine!
According to statista.com, only about 32 million CDs were sold in the US last year, 22% of them hip-hop/rap.
> It's too bad that as you were trying to solve the puzzle, in blew Hurricane Ida.
In addition, there are no longer "music stores" that sell CDs or Rap CDs. When I was a kid there were "record stores," and later on you could call Tower Records or its brethren a "music store," and buy a CD there.
These days "music stores" sell guitars and flutes. I defy you to find me a "music store" that sells "rap CDs." Frankly, it is hard to find CDs of any kind at retail.
Come to Amoeba in Hollywood, where I believe you will find all that and more. And presumably the same in Berkeley and SF.
No opinion on whether this is a good or bad puzzle--I actually mouthed the word "rhapsody" to myself and somehow did not come up with "Rap CD"; I guess I didn't mangle "soda" enough. But saying that "CD" is not a word is like saying "TV" and "GI" are not--you're applying a definition of "word" that is not found outside the academy.
Are you really telling me that VD, BS, FU, DA, RV, PJ, PS, TP, DA, PVT, GEN, USPS and so, so many more are not abbreviations, but are words? Then I guess by that kind of thinking we might as well toss ABBREVIATION out of our dictionaries.
That's a great counterexample, Italo. I have indeed been to Amoeba both the Berkeley and the LA versions. And there is a record & CD store in NYC called Other Music which is also great and another counterexample. I would still contend, though, that there just aren't "music stores" like Amoeba and Other Music in most places. Which makes it a poorly constructed puzzle, because if you can't say "record stores" or "CD stores" or "music stores."
Well then I suppose Walmart and Target and Amazon.com are all music stores. Not to mention that any idiot can open a store and call and/or name it anything he wants. Governor Gavin Newsome allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, CA is an appropriate example. I suspect if a waiter there accidentally spilled a drop of Châteauneuf-du-Pape on a patrons gown, it would not be laundered in the back, but sent to a legitimate dry cleaners, not to mention the comping of the wine. Anyway, whatever the AH did, I would love to dine there some evening.
I suspected you used mw dictionary. I am not sure who is authority. I find this puzzle "disconcerting". I am musician and have played clarinet part for Rhapsody in blue. It is a forced answer. Did not mean to give you wrong impression. I am glad to read your posts on this matter.
You can't go to a super expensive boutique restaurant in Yountville CA, heart of the wine country, and order a Châteauneuf-du-Pape. You've got to go for the Beringer Reserve Cab or the Old Telegram Mourvedre.
Otherwise the Newsome Medical Lobbyists will walk away from you and stick you with the bill.
And wouldn't that be a Gallo evening? Or perhaps a Paul Masson event where no wine would be served before its crime. And its crime, should one inquire, is to have been bottled in the first place.
The truth is you can spend all the big bucks you want to flash around, but to experience a really fine wine with an outstanding meal does not require such extravagance. It is a marketing game and some outstanding wines are available at reasonable prices. I am sure you know this as well as I. Now, as to vintage port, well that is a different story. I am still waiting to win a lottery (I don't play though) to be able to afford a bottle of 1945 vintage Port, which is my birth year, and one of the all time outstanding vintages. Go Fund Me please.
I also came up with Rhapsody and Rap CD. My earlier comment was a reference to Brahms' Alto Rhapsody (classical composer), Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue" (showtunes composer) and Freddie Mercury/Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" (classic rock composer.)
My first idea was “a Perretta,” which is a brand of guitar. That seemed to be a little arcane, so I kept thinking and came up with “rap CD.” Both answers have schwa issues, which have been known to enflame passions in Blainesville.
jan, You were in the medical field. There are clinics located in strip malls that appear to be owned by one of my favorite actors, but his first name is omitted. Do you know who this actor is and what type of clinics they are?
I can't answer your question, but I can ask you what now dead celebrity went to medical school? Well known, but not an actor. A celebrity nevertheless.
I'm sure "rap CD" is the intended answer, but (and I don't mean to be rude) there is a certain level of "how do you do, fellow kids?" awkwardness here. First of all, a CD? I have not owned or bought a CD, or even a piece of technology that would play a CD, for about a decade. Second of all, rap is a rich and complex genre, and the generic phrase "rap CD" is about as weirdly vague/dated as "pop cassette" or "classical tape." Third of all, "music store"? Pretty sure those sell instruments, amps, sheet music, and the like...you will get quite a look if you waltz in there asking for a rap CD.
On the other hand, my answer was "quadrille / choir drill," in reference to sheet music exercises for choruses...not the most elegant solution in the world, so maybe I shouldn't complain! (My "crustacean" hint above referred to Lewis Carroll's Lobster Quadrille.)
Off to listen to some Aesop Rock (rap, but not on a CD!).
I think QUADRILLE / CHOIR DRILL is the best solution I've seen to a puzzle which has no "good" solution. I'm afraid I got stuck thinking your crustacean must be a crab, somehow.
Well thanks! And that stirs some nice memories of _Gödel, Escher, Bach_...which is, after all, "a metaphorical fugue on minds and machines in the spirit of Lewis Carroll"!
Dr. Awkward (aka Veronica), I agree with Paul that your QUADRILLE / CHOIR DRILL is a worthy alternative answer to this puzzle. But I also like Ari Carr's (likely intended) RHAPSODY / RAP CD answer. Because I am prone to mispronounce "CONCH" using the "CH"-sound and not the "K"-sound at the end, and because I am under the misapprehension that a "conch" (which is a snail) is a crustacean (when it is in reality a mollusk), I got stuck thinking the "form of musical composition" tou were hinting at must have been a "concerto" somehow.
My poetic clue, ‘Goethe’, was to the "Harzreise im Winter", which is the text of Brahms’ “Alto Rhapsody”. Courtney also clued the "Alto Rhapsody"! Yay!
And Dr. K, I think Miles and several other jazz greats were powerfully influenced by Gershwin, so my mind flew right to “Rhapsody in Blue”. (I heard Herbie Hancock discuss the cross-pollination between Gershwin and black jazz artists in an interview for his amazing CD, “Gershwin’s World”.) Also, Joni Mitchell’s “Blue” was the first album I ever owned, and it might still be my favorite!
I think “CD” is obviously a word (also an abbreviation, but many, many abbreviations are words). But I do agree that a music store is not where I would have gone to buy a CD, back when people bought CDs, although you could definitely find some in some music stores.
A music store by today's standards sells musical instruments, etc.... Even when they were prominent, a record store was where you bought "recordings". A music store was like a Guitar Center. And it still is. Beyond misleading just plain incorrect wording.
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ReplyDeleteYou may provide indirect hints to the answer to show you know it, but make sure they don't give the answer away. You can openly discuss your hints and the answer after the Thursday deadline. Thank you.
7 million or so is not very many, Blaine!
DeleteI have a valid alternate answer that doesn't require fast talking.
ReplyDelete"Fast talking" is in the ear of the behearer?
DeleteNext to the ear worm...
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DeleteYes. I have that one also and the intended answer (2 answers total).
DeleteDo music stores sell classic rocks?
ReplyDeleteNo, but they sell "knocked urns."
Deleteron, A fine example of "dark humor."
DeleteMine sold me a phony sim card.
DeleteI'm done.
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ReplyDeleteOK, I have two answers. One of them seems likely to be the intended answer, and the other is more obscure, but a little cleaner. Either answer will probably be controversial. Whether I'm right or not, I'm with Tommy Boy.
ReplyDeleteNot a regular puzzle, but it works.
ReplyDeleteMay have a clue.
ReplyDelete(I'm in New Orleans, sheltered in place, trying to keep the power on in the Greater New Orleans area using my mind.)
Batten down the hatches...or whatever you have to batten down.
DeleteBe safe.
DeleteThanks, y’all
DeletePlease post again after the storm has passed so we know you're OK.
DeleteBy "May have a clue", I meant Brian May, from Queen,
DeleteSo I have An Answer, but I'm not completely sure it's The Answer. Is anyone else reminded of a certain crustacean?
ReplyDelete(haha, maybe just me then!)
DeleteI am still trying to solve this. I don't like what I have come up with: Etude, a tood, or a toot, or something with an oud.
DeleteTo what do you elude? An etude, dude?
DeleteThis puzzle is certainly giving me a bit of a 'tude! I'll explain the crustacean thing later...
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ReplyDeleteThe answer reminds me of my eyes.
ReplyDeleteMine too.
DeleteI have blue eyes, like Rhapsody in Blue.
DeleteI'm really missing something... what is a form of musical composition? Like jazz? or the name of a song?
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming (uh oh) that it would be more like a stylizes composition like: allemande, courants, sarabande, gigue, or sonata, concerto,rondo, waltz, mazurka, polonaise, etc.
DeleteSorry, like stylizes composition.
DeleteSorry, like a stylized composition.
DeleteI suspect the puzzle is confusing the terms form and genre.
DeleteBesides what Bigboaz asks, I would like an example of a word unrelated to this one said fast and changing meaning.
ReplyDeleteOPERA → OPRAH
DeleteI think I have it, so I'm gonna put a pretty bow on the package and call it a day.
ReplyDeleteDid y’all get the NPR confirmation email? I didn’t receive it.
ReplyDeleteYes, I got confirmation shortly after submitting my answer, as usual.
DeleteMy confirmation went to Junk mail. That usually doesn't happen.
DeleteI didn’t get a confirmation email either. Not in the spam folder…
DeleteNo confirmation email for me as well, either in Junk mail or in the regular inbox.
Deletequoting Mencken "vry problm has a simpl answr, simpl clar and wrong. and that is what I hav its so simpl it must b wrong.
ReplyDeletebut I submittd it anyway so I'm don
I have an answer, but I'm not particularly satisfied with it. If it is correct, I found a link between three composers of three different music genres.
ReplyDeleteNote: I'm going to give it a rest.
ReplyDeleteWW,
DeleteIf someone who answers puzzles as quickly as you do wants to give it a rest, I'd have to be in a coma to answer this one!
Clark a pseudonym, aria having fun yet?
DeleteThat's not very suite of you. I wish we could act in concert to solve the damn thing.
DeleteI have a silly, silly answer. But, I, like others here, am done. Busy day tomorrow.
DeleteSad news about the passing of Ed Asner today
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
Delete"I hate spunk!"
Can't think of Ed without thinking of MTM and the Chuckles the Clown episode. It was magnifico!
DeleteAve atque vale, Ed Asner.
Delete“Let’s face it, life is a bore. You’re born. You die. And everything in between--is nothing but filler.”--Lou Grant
RIP Ed Asner
DeleteSolved it via the last musical clue. Sorry, Dr. K. Can't see Mr. Asner liking either the musical composition or the music store purchase.
pjbCanTakeSpunkOrLeaveIt,Actually
Hurricane Ida's coming for Alabama tomorrow. Please pray for us.
Deletepjb'sMotherHasADoctor'sAppointmentTomorrowAfternoonAsWell!
Hey Cranberry, What musical clue? Hey i just heard that 90 % of these storm surge related deaths are due to water. So if i was you i would definitely get that preserver on soon.
DeleteMy cousin is in Destin.
Also " Don't take your Chevy to the levy."
DeleteMy cousin used to have an old antique Concertina. Not sure he still has it. I will check.
DeleteMom went and found out she no longer needs physical therapy for her injuries, so that's good. Also, the worst of it appears to be in Tuscaloosa, and headed eastward, but Mom says you never know.
DeletepjbSaysMom'sNoMeteorologist,ButHe'sNoOptimistInTheseMatters,So...
Dr. K mentioned Miles Davis a little further down. Blaine hasn't even caught it yet.
DeletepjbSaysIt'sAGoodThingIt'sNotTheReallyObviousMusicalClueHeWasThinkingOf!
Well its fixin to rain here.
DeleteCranberry, point taken. Unintended but, then again, ignorance is bliss. More on Thursday.
DeleteCranberry and Plantsmith: Rain here today, too, possibility of tornadoes. Hold your breath and keep your fingers crossed.
Dr. K also in tornado alley. Close to Greenville?
DeleteAsheville, NC?
Plantsmith--We're about halfway between Greenville and Asheville. It's mostly been intermittent rain, not much wind, and no tornadoes so far (none that I've heard of, anyway). Right now, it feels tropical outside, and I'm about to venture forth into the "dark world and wide."
DeleteCame through there a couple or weeks ago on way back from Richmond. Edna chased us down and we were afraid to stop. Stayed in Hickory on way up.
DeleteI am in Canton,Ga,
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ReplyDeleteSolving this was a suite victory!
ReplyDeleteOh, I just got it, and I’d been looking at the word for the musical form for hours and thinking, “This must be it.” And it was.
ReplyDeleteA musical clue: Miles Davis.
If you go to check out your music purchase and change your mind, might the cashier say "So, nada?"
ReplyDeleteI like Dr. K's musical clue.
ReplyDeleteHere's a poetry clue: Goethe.
Irving Berlin?
ReplyDeleteIt's 2 AM and I was awaked by the sound of my own snoring. The snoring stopped and in its place was the answer to the puzzle! It's sometimes impossible to understand the workings of the brain! But is his really the answer?
ReplyDeleteI thought I heard someone snoring.
DeleteSBD,
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s'not a clu. 3am yesterday I'm up for old guy reasons. As go back to bed I hear car's tires screeching around the corner and a metallic sound. I go out to investigate as my car is parked on the shoulder. I don't s the car then i see a car with hazards flashing parked perpendicular in my neighbor's driveway. it's my car still locked. my neighbor has th police on his phone. another neighbor who's up comes by. says h saw a car with man in it back up and speed away after haring the noise. finally police show up. officer says I'm experienced in investigating car crashes I don't see any skid arks or damage to car. finally he pulls me aside " Do you have Alzheimer's?" "No." "Are you taking Ambien?" "No." finally thy all leave and we go back to bed
ReplyDeletethe next morning the tire tracks in the gravel are clearly visible. fishhead city cops are clearly not the sharpest knives in the drawer. somebody play the twilight zone theme
dun ki dun ki dun ki dunki Dudoodledoodledoodledu.
DeleteThe passing of Ed Asner and, let's not forget, Charlie Watts.
ReplyDeleteTwo luminaries
DeleteIf the answer I sent in is right, this will go down as one of the most groanable puzzles ever.
ReplyDeleteWell, don't fret.
DeleteThat comment was AFLAT otherwise known as BSHARP
DeleteCareful who you mezzo with.
DeleteClark: A flat is G sharp, I believe.
DeleteA flat is an apartment in London.
DeleteNatasha, you got me!
DeleteClark: yes, the gigue is up!
DeleteIf there's a cave in you may have A-flat minor.
DeleteThe part of this puzzle that makes me sad is how few music stores still exist. Maybe a little Buddy Guy or Stevie Ray to cheer me up…
ReplyDeleteThere used to be a popular record store in the Kansas City area called Caper's Corner. It was a very popular store that also sold tickets to all the big Rock concerts in the 60's & 70's. It was owned by Ed Asner's older brother, Ben. I remember going there several times and Ben Asner would be sitting up front behind the counter just keeping a sharp eye on everyone. As I look back now, he had the look of Ed Asner's character from the animated film "Up".
DeleteThat record store is long gone but it was big in its day, and I always associate it with Ben Asner & his brother Ed.
So far, there have been lots of musical puns, but I have yet to see anyone go for baroque.
ReplyDeleteI Cantabile you would say such a thing.
DeleteBach at you.
DeleteThen there was the artist who painted in oils. His work?....Moe's Art
DeleteIf it is not baroque, don't fix it.
DeleteFuoco!
DeleteI think I'll go into Haydn.
DeleteHelp me, Rondo!
DeleteWhy, Northeast, can't Händel it when things begin to un-Ravel? Verdi well.
DeleteThere's too much sax and violins here.
DeleteWhat about Franz? He should be on the Liszt.
DeleteOnly if we can be Franck.
DeleteHolst on a Minuet, I didn't Planet this way.
DeleteWell, I certainly started something major but not, I hope, out of scale. I suppose that the key with this group is that it’s only natural.
DeleteFugue got to be kidding with these puns. Let’s scale this Bach.
DeleteSchumann, whatever you say.
DeleteOh, my, you all are making me musick.
DeleteI’ve often pondered how many stores keep the less-PG materials in the back. You have to go past the outer family-friendly section to reach the Inner Lewd stuff. (It’s not always titillating, but on occasion you find something that Can Tickle.)
DeleteHave you flipped your "lewd" wig, Beethoven?
DeletepjbWondersWouldMentioningThisFamouslyHard-Of-HearingComposerMakeThisADeafComedyJam?
Waltz with all these musical puns? How many have there been so far, nearly forte? Mind you, it is a trill joining in with y'all, but any more of these and I may lose my tempo! You'd be hard-presto find more groaners like these anywhere else, not even in Key Largo! Sonata nother word, do you hear?
DeletepjbIsn'tTryingToStartAFugueWithAnyone,ButC'mon!
I Coda swore it had ended already. So why the reprise?
DeleteActually, I love it. You punsters have my deepest symphony.
DeletepjbIsJustGladY'AllDon'tRhymeEverything,ForAsBadAsPunsCanBe,TheyCanAlwaysBeVerse!
They Cantabile Fantastique.
DeleteOMG not you too CRan. The invasion of the body punsters.
DeleteDon't worry, Plantsmith, I think it's all going to unRavel soon.
DeleteAnd will you Ravel in that?
DeleteThis puzzle is ridiculous. And I know something about music. In fact when I ordered a Bösendorfer Imperial Grand Piano and it was delivered with an extra 97 keys and an eight octave keyboard I knew right away to refuse delivery and send it back straight away. Just who do they think they were kidding?
ReplyDeleteI would have worded the puzzle differently. More about changing the long and short sounds of a letter.
DeleteThe Mr., our dogs and I are going to stay with family near Mobile. Our house is fine, but there’s no power.
ReplyDeleteMy son (an adult) is staying in New Orleans. He’ll help the restaurant he works for clean up, and likely be helpful all around.
Good news. Sounds as though you can exhale.
DeleteIt's too bad that as you were trying to solve the puzzle, in blew Hurricane Ida.
DeleteI'd already solved before she hit, but never got the NPR confirmation email.
DeleteThere are four other dogs here, so ours have joined the pack. Our dogs, both girls, are named Barracks (age 8), and Rampart (7 months), after New Orleans streets.
There are chickens here, and horses. Rampart nearly lost her mind when she met the three horses in the back field.
So, again, I May have a clue, but I'm more impressed with having AC and internet.
Is Waffle House still open?
Deletetwo bad answers both have popeye clues uck uck uck
ReplyDeleteI think I have one of those.
Deleteat least it wasn't spinach piano -ouch
DeleteIf one is VERY lax about the meaning of "form of musical composition", Tin Pan Alley and tympani almost work.
ReplyDeleteBoy I don't like this one. It's not okay
ReplyDeleteAfter a false start because I read the puzzle too quickly, (I was looking for two things sold in a music store) the answer came fairly easily, probably because I had been thinking of and reciting various forms of musical composition over a couple of days. It’s not a bad puzzle after all. There are a few posted hints above, including Blaine’s, that confirm the answer without giving TMI.
ReplyDeleteActually, if one is looking for a musical composition that breaks into TWO things sold in a musical store, there's a clean answer that avoids all controversies about pronunciation. (It might be jan's alternate answer from early Sunday.)
DeleteJohn Cena, for starters
ReplyDeleteUpon Cena’s start he had a rapping gimmick.
DeleteI like this puzzle by Ari Carr of Madison, WI. I believe I have the intended answer.
ReplyDeleteJust a guess, but this is how Ari may have come up with it:
Someone said aloud either the form of musical composition or the 2-word something that you might buy in a music store. Ari misheard the musical composition as the music store purchase, or Ari misheard the music store purchase as the musical composition.
There you go...Instant Puzzle!
LegoWhoIsLaudatoryOfThisAuditoryWordplay
Thumbelina. With a pot on her head.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why this still has me stumped. I keep coming up with almost, but not quite words. Da capo= the/a capo. Big stretch, I know. First time in a long time I haven't solved one. I usually love a challenge, but only until it's not a challenge anymore.
ReplyDeleteI don't have this either.
ReplyDeleteIn a couple of hours I will know if it is my fault or Will's.
Blaine's clue, "I doubt many of these are sold," is a good one. It hints, I infer, at the rapidly evolving technology in the the cyber-age we find ourselves enjoying/cursing.
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DeleteHi there, I'm back from summer vacation. I don't like this puzzle much. The way it is worded suggests the form of musical composition is supposed to be one word only ("If you say the word quickly…"). That would nix the only answer I managed to come up with. Some of the clues above suggest others might have the same answer, though.
ReplyDeleteRHAPSODY —> RAP CD
ReplyDeleteMy musical clue: Miles Davis —> Kind of Blue —> Rhapsody in Blue. (Any explicit reference to Gershwin would certainly have been TMI). I thought the clue was oblique enough, but I subsequently found out about Miles’s final foray into rap. Mea culpa, Cranberry.
And thanks, Crito. I liked your Goethe clue. I thought there might be some other literary clues, too—Homer, epics, etc. —> rhapsode—but none were forthcoming.
I was surprised that no one offered as a musical clue Joni Mitchell (—> Blue).
And, like clotheslover, I considered étude and oud, a popular instrument among members of my tribe, but I couldn’t make it work, so I moved on.
I wonder what happened to the confirmation emails that some of us didn't get.
rhapsody --> rap CD
ReplyDeleteLast Sunday I said, “Not a regular puzzle, but it works.” Merriam-Webster defines rhapsody as “a musical composition of irregular form.” And, of course, rhapsodies are “works” by definition.
A cappella — a coupler?
ReplyDeleteIf that's not good enough…it's too bad! 😏
W,
DeleteWhat's a coupler that you'd get it in a music shop used for?
Cap,
DeleteI had to look that up myself (after the a cappella idea crossed my mind). Couplers are mechanical adjuncts that activate extra sets of reeds. Accordions and organs can have couplers.
https://www.britannica.com/art/coupler
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/Coupler
Thanks...that fits with Blaine's clue.
DeleteAnd sometimes the form is set as one word, acappella, which would be consistent with the puzzle directions ("Say the word quickly").
Delete1. RHAPSODY → a RAP CD is something a music store would sell...
ReplyDelete2. PLAINSONG or PLAINCHANT → A music store probably sells some PLAIN SONGS or PLAIN CHANTS...
I used this list of basic musical forms.
And I came up with Jazzy>>>>>Jay D
ReplyDeleteI meant Jazzy>>>>Jay Z
DeleteRHAPSODY, RAP CD
ReplyDelete> I have a valid alternate answer that doesn't require fast talking.
HORNPIPE, HORN PIPE
As in, "I dropped my trombone on the floor, so now I need to go to the music store to buy a new horn pipe."
"Fast talking" was sort of a hint at rap.
> 7 million or so is not very many, Blaine!
According to statista.com, only about 32 million CDs were sold in the US last year, 22% of them hip-hop/rap.
> It's too bad that as you were trying to solve the puzzle, in blew Hurricane Ida.
Refers to Gershwin's RHAPSODY in Blue.
hornpipe was my submission even though I knew it wouldn't play
Deleterhapsody, rap CD
ReplyDeleteI do not consider rap to be music, nor do I consider CD to be a word.
ReplyDeleteYees@
DeleteYees! I agree. Grrr. I liked hornpipe but did not submit.
DeleteI looked CD up. It is considered a word but not a scrabble word. C does not sound like SO in rhapsody.
DeleteGlad I gave up right away.
CD is an abbreviation for numerous words. It is not a word itself. Abbreviations are not words.
DeleteAgreed that CD is not a word.
DeleteIn addition, there are no longer "music stores" that sell CDs or Rap CDs. When I was a kid there were "record stores," and later on you could call Tower Records or its brethren a "music store," and buy a CD there.
These days "music stores" sell guitars and flutes. I defy you to find me a "music store" that sells "rap CDs." Frankly, it is hard to find CDs of any kind at retail.
Come to Amoeba in Hollywood, where I believe you will find all that and more. And presumably the same in Berkeley and SF.
DeleteNo opinion on whether this is a good or bad puzzle--I actually mouthed the word "rhapsody" to myself and somehow did not come up with "Rap CD"; I guess I didn't mangle "soda" enough. But saying that "CD" is not a word is like saying "TV" and "GI" are not--you're applying a definition of "word" that is not found outside the academy.
Are you really telling me that VD, BS, FU, DA, RV, PJ, PS, TP, DA, PVT, GEN, USPS and so, so many more are not abbreviations, but are words? Then I guess by that kind of thinking we might as well toss ABBREVIATION out of our dictionaries.
DeleteThat's a great counterexample, Italo. I have indeed been to Amoeba both the Berkeley and the LA versions. And there is a record & CD store in NYC called Other Music which is also great and another counterexample. I would still contend, though, that there just aren't "music stores" like Amoeba and Other Music in most places. Which makes it a poorly constructed puzzle, because if you can't say "record stores" or "CD stores" or "music stores."
DeleteSDB: look it up.
DeleteWell then I suppose Walmart and Target and Amazon.com are all music stores. Not to mention that any idiot can open a store and call and/or name it anything he wants. Governor Gavin Newsome allegedly eating at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, CA is an appropriate example. I suspect if a waiter there accidentally spilled a drop of Châteauneuf-du-Pape on a patrons gown, it would not be laundered in the back, but sent to a legitimate dry cleaners, not to mention the comping of the wine. Anyway, whatever the AH did, I would love to dine there some evening.
DeleteNatasha,
DeleteDo you really think I didn't look it up? And do you believe I am not discriminating in whom I choose to accept is a true authority?
I suspected you used mw dictionary. I am not sure who is authority. I find this puzzle "disconcerting". I am musician and have played clarinet part for Rhapsody in blue. It is a forced answer. Did not mean to give you wrong impression. I am glad to read your posts on this matter.
DeleteIf George Gershwin were alive to discover rap categorized as music, I believe he would turn blue with rage; not rhapsody.
DeleteYes
DeleteC'mon, SDB. You know better.
DeleteYou can't go to a super expensive boutique restaurant in Yountville CA, heart of the wine country, and order a Châteauneuf-du-Pape. You've got to go for the Beringer Reserve Cab or the Old Telegram Mourvedre.
Otherwise the Newsome Medical Lobbyists will walk away from you and stick you with the bill.
And wouldn't that be a Gallo evening? Or perhaps a Paul Masson event where no wine would be served before its crime. And its crime, should one inquire, is to have been bottled in the first place.
DeleteThe truth is you can spend all the big bucks you want to flash around, but to experience a really fine wine with an outstanding meal does not require such extravagance. It is a marketing game and some outstanding wines are available at reasonable prices. I am sure you know this as well as I. Now, as to vintage port, well that is a different story. I am still waiting to win a lottery (I don't play though) to be able to afford a bottle of 1945 vintage Port, which is my birth year, and one of the all time outstanding vintages. Go Fund Me please.
Delete"Abbreviations are not words."
DeleteMany, many abbreviations are words. First, there's the kind that German calls a 'Kopfwort': "App". "Gym". "Photo". "Phone". ("Gestapo" is one too!)
But it doesn't have to be the head/kopf: -- at least in English, we also have "fridge" and "shroom". Oh, and just for you Natasha: "cello"!
Abbreviations formed by acronym can also be words: "Scuba". "Radar". "Laser". "Snafu". "AWOL". Initialisms do seem more resistant. I wonder why.
I got as far as ETUDE and A TOOT before I let it go. Good choice for a wild week. Congrats to you rhapsodic solvers!
ReplyDeleteI also came up with Rhapsody and Rap CD. My earlier comment was a reference to Brahms' Alto Rhapsody (classical composer), Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue" (showtunes composer) and Freddie Mercury/Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" (classic rock composer.)
ReplyDeleteElegant.
DeleteI really had to hold back from references to Bohemian Rhapsody. My "magnifico" hint was all I could come up with that would fly.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many rap recordings of any kind are owned by Blainesvillians.
ReplyDeletePut me down for 0 (out of hundreds of other kinds)
Tupac's " Dear Mama" kind of blew me away the first time i heard it. It's in my mix tape.
DeleteSuite music/ Sheet music.
ReplyDeleteMy first idea was “a Perretta,” which is a brand of guitar. That seemed to be a little arcane, so I kept thinking and came up with “rap CD.” Both answers have schwa issues, which have been known to enflame passions in Blainesville.
ReplyDeleteI had. Antiphony, A Tiffany.
ReplyDeletejan, You were in the medical field. There are clinics located in strip malls that appear to be owned by one of my favorite actors, but his first name is omitted. Do you know who this actor is and what type of clinics they are?
ReplyDeleteSDB,
DeleteI can't answer your question, but I can ask you what now dead celebrity went to medical school? Well known, but not an actor. A celebrity nevertheless.
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DeleteNo. I'm waiting for jan to weigh in before I answer.
DeleteI have no idea.
DeleteWell, I see signs on these establishments saying: WALK IN CLINIC. I just assumed they are owned by Christopher Walken.
DeleteSo, so many things I didn't like about this puzzle. But I'll keep them to myself.
ReplyDeleteLike a music store and a record store not being interchangeable. In the meantime, do you happen to know where I can purchase a bagatelles?
DeleteMusic store deli section.
DeleteI think the last time i got a CD was at Best Buy. RIP Tower Records. Featured in Netflix "Count me in" drum documentary. If you dare.
DeleteI'm sure "rap CD" is the intended answer, but (and I don't mean to be rude) there is a certain level of "how do you do, fellow kids?" awkwardness here. First of all, a CD? I have not owned or bought a CD, or even a piece of technology that would play a CD, for about a decade. Second of all, rap is a rich and complex genre, and the generic phrase "rap CD" is about as weirdly vague/dated as "pop cassette" or "classical tape." Third of all, "music store"? Pretty sure those sell instruments, amps, sheet music, and the like...you will get quite a look if you waltz in there asking for a rap CD.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, my answer was "quadrille / choir drill," in reference to sheet music exercises for choruses...not the most elegant solution in the world, so maybe I shouldn't complain! (My "crustacean" hint above referred to Lewis Carroll's Lobster Quadrille.)
Off to listen to some Aesop Rock (rap, but not on a CD!).
I think QUADRILLE / CHOIR DRILL is the best solution I've seen to a puzzle which has no "good" solution. I'm afraid I got stuck thinking your crustacean must be a crab, somehow.
DeleteWell thanks! And that stirs some nice memories of _Gödel, Escher, Bach_...which is, after all, "a metaphorical fugue on minds and machines in the spirit of Lewis Carroll"!
DeleteDr. Awkward (aka Veronica),
DeleteI agree with Paul that your QUADRILLE / CHOIR DRILL is a worthy alternative answer to this puzzle. But I also like Ari Carr's (likely intended) RHAPSODY / RAP CD answer.
Because I am prone to mispronounce "CONCH" using the "CH"-sound and not the "K"-sound at the end, and because I am under the misapprehension that a "conch" (which is a snail) is a crustacean (when it is in reality a mollusk), I got stuck thinking the "form of musical composition" tou were hinting at must have been a "concerto" somehow.
LegoWhoObservesThatItIsNotEasyToDecipherHintsWhenYouCannotPronounceWordsCorrectlyAndAreBuriedUnderTheWeightOfMultipleMisapprehensions!
RHAPSODY, RAP CD
ReplyDeletepjb,StuckSomewhereBetweenGershwinAndTheSugarHillGang
My poetic clue, ‘Goethe’, was to the "Harzreise im Winter", which is the text of Brahms’ “Alto Rhapsody”. Courtney also clued the "Alto Rhapsody"! Yay!
ReplyDeleteAnd Dr. K, I think Miles and several other jazz greats were powerfully influenced by Gershwin, so my mind flew right to “Rhapsody in Blue”. (I heard Herbie Hancock discuss the cross-pollination between Gershwin and black jazz artists in an interview for his amazing CD, “Gershwin’s World”.) Also, Joni Mitchell’s “Blue” was the first album I ever owned, and it might still be my favorite!
I think “CD” is obviously a word (also an abbreviation, but many, many abbreviations are words). But I do agree that a music store is not where I would have gone to buy a CD, back when people bought CDs, although you could definitely find some in some music stores.
l like cross pollination better than appropriation.
ReplyDeleteA music store by today's standards sells musical instruments, etc.... Even when they were prominent, a record store was where you bought "recordings". A music store was like a Guitar Center. And it still is. Beyond misleading just plain incorrect wording.
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