Q: Think of two famous people — one from business and one from entertainment — whose last names are anagrams of each other. Now take their first names, drop the last letter of each of them, and put the result together, without rearranging, and you'll get the full first name of a famous fictional character. Who are these people?You can also rearrange the last names to get a place that you might have seen one of these people, maybe both.
Edit: Their last names also anagram to STAGE
A: (BIL)L GATES + (BO)B SAGET --> (BILBO) BAGGINS
Here's my standard reminder... don't post the answer or any hints that could lead directly to the answer (e.g. via a chain of thought, or an internet search) before the deadline of Thursday at 3pm ET. If you know the answer, click the link and submit it to NPR, but don't give it away here.
ReplyDeleteYou may provide indirect hints to the answer to show you know it, but make sure they don't give the answer away. You can openly discuss your hints and the answer after the Thursday deadline. Thank you.
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ReplyDeleteOh! Sorry, Blaine.
Delete"Great minds..."
DeleteThis one gets a thumbs up.
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ReplyDeleteThis narrows down the era and location a little.
DeleteDude.
DeleteJoyeuse Fête des Pères!
ReplyDeleteI have it. It took a while, but I am sure of it.
Ever notice Elon's last name anagrams to Skum?
ReplyDeleteWhat book is Piercrichar in?
ReplyDeleteMusical clue: "Star Trek".
ReplyDeleteTruly the 'Citizen Kane' of music videos
DeleteThe fictional character had a bad habit. Hashtag: dropped letters.
ReplyDeleteBilbo enjoyed the bad "habit" (hobbit) of puffin' the tobacki. Hashtag (# pound sign): lb (the dropped letters, respectively).
DeleteOk, I got it. The business and entertainment names were actually the first names I considered but then got sidetracked. I guess you could say it was hard. Good puzzle, though.
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ReplyDeleteExcellent clue! As a matter of fact it led me to the answer in a good way, through a little research and reasoning.
DeleteOh, poops. Sorry!
DeleteI have a satisfactory answer that takes a bit of liberty with the concept of "first names"—perhaps I'll keep looking!
ReplyDeleteHmm, I think I might have the same one.
DeleteAlthough, the one I have does fit Blaine's clue! I dunno, I don't think this is the intended answer.
DeleteThere is a specific answer that's quite clearly the intended answer. I believe I have it, and I believe you will know when you have it. Open and shut case.
DeleteOhhhh, okay, got it.
DeleteStarting to think I have a non-standard answer...mine also fits Blaine's clue, but only with a bit of a stretch...
DeleteGot this one working backwards.
ReplyDeleteHappy Juneteenth! Imagine waiting over 2 years to hear the news of one's freedom...
Congratulations to Peter Collins of Ann Arbor, Michigan for serving up this delicious gourmet three-course business-entertainment-literary masterpiece of a puzzle. It deserves inclusion on the Dante-like Honor Roll this Dairy Month.
ReplyDeleteLegoWhoIsANativeOfTheDairyStateWhichSharesABorderWithMichigan'sUpper"Pen"AndMarkets"Divine"CheeseProducedNotByMoo-ersOrBy"SomeUdder"MechanicalOrHumanMilkShakersButRatherByBaa-ers!
Clever puzzle today!
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ReplyDeleteTheir middle names, in order, are that of a politician who held the same office of someone in the news this past week.
ReplyDeleteEach week we face more than just one puzzle - the official puzzle, and then trying to understand all the clues left by others who've solved it sooner.
DeleteNow this politician (made up of "Their middle names, in order), is he someone from the past who got fired by someone with the same last name as himself, or was he, in fact, a definitely Non-American politician? And can you give a little more guidance as to how someone holding the same office was in the news this past week?
EAWF, The two politicians I am referring to are American, one living and one dead. One held the political office in question for the shortest time to date, not due to termination, but rather resignation.
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ReplyDeleteI got it when I puzzled about fictional character names. Funny how I seem to think more clearly when I focus of the last part of a puzzle first. That approach often works better for me.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised it took me this long because I'm very aware of one of the names. Good puzzle this week.
ReplyDeleteIndeed.
ReplyDeleteEuskara.
ReplyDeleteThat should have got me there, but not quite.
DeleteThis is a good puzzle for Father's Day.
ReplyDeleteMy dad's name is Bob, like Bob Saget.
DeleteRachri sounds like he could be a character from Celtic mythology. (Ray Kroc, Chris Rock)
ReplyDeleteYeah I thought of that! And Chrira is kinda almost sorta something in Indic mythology. (Tamil? Sinhala?)
DeleteBut Crito, remember, the business guy's name has to come first!
DeleteWell, the puzzle doesn't actually say that.
DeleteLet me try again. Both of them have the same number of children.
ReplyDeleteHaving now shot baskets for an hour and clearing my head, I think the answerI alluded to in my post is not the intended answer. I now think it might be a valid alternate answer, and I suspect it’s the same answer Dr. Awkward expressed reservations about above.
ReplyDeleteBack to the drawing board.
I've returned from the drawing board with the intended answer. If my previous sense of the puzzzle was that it was hard, now I don't think so.
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ReplyDeleteKokomo.
ReplyDeleteGot the answer. Giving a clue that fits The Rules Of Blaine is trickier. It might be even trickier for people in New Jersey.
ReplyDeleteI’ve searched the entire blog, and this puzzle you cannot liken to any other. It’s unique, so to every puzzle aficionado, every glad fan of the Puzzle Master Will Shortz and puzzle-creator Peter Collins, go mull over this puzzle and see if you can arrive at a solution.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everyone that this is a great puzzle. I even found an alternate answer that involves a businessman named Tony Shank, whom you can Google.
ReplyDeleteWhoa! That works!
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DeleteSo if TONTO is the first name of the fictional character, what then is his family name or surname?
DeleteLiebowitz
DeleteHow about Ron Crosby (businessman & football player) and Uncle Bing Crosby yielding ROBIN Hood?
DeleteP. S.
ReplyDeleteI had heard of "fire alarm", but not "fire bell" or "fire code". So that one stumped me when I first read it on the NPR website. All the others made sense. Also, as others had suggested earlier here, the first good anagram I came across was KROC and ROCK, but I figured out neither CHRIRA or RACHRI meant anything. Luckily when I came back to the first businessperson I had thought of, the rest of it fell into place. Good puzzle, Peter!
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Actually, PJB, you can stick with your first anagram and go with Pamela Anderson's ex. You'll get an obscure fictional character using either order (too obscure to get me in trouble with Blaine, I think).
DeleteI'll drink a RAKI to that!
Delete..while kicking back and enjoying some reruns of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine!
DeleteAh, just got the intended answer! Very clever puzzle. My previous solving method got me stranded in a bit of a cul-de-sac, but fresh eyes after a catnap did the trick.
ReplyDelete"Bag End," where Bilbo lived, is a literal translation of "cul-de-sac"—Tolkien's little joke, no doubt!
DeleteI agree with Dr.K that this puzzle is unique. List most all these NPR puzzles a database is basically all you need to solve it, but, at least to my mentality, it's actually harder to reverse engineer this puzzle because, if you were to start with the first names of entertainers, it is just too vast and vague and nebulous. Just like this post.
ReplyDeleteSo you have to start by guessing the last names. I don't how you can do it any other way. Oh, well...I'm still thinking about the struts on Lindbergh's airplane, what do I know?
I also agree with Dr. K! And I'm impressed that the good Dr. got a clue in of a kind I'd thought about. I was thinking about a mysterious priest and especially his young charge.
DeleteOh, and I understand what led Ron to his question about Tonto, above, but the answer is: he didn't have any other names!
One (more?) clue: drop a letter from the name of a beloved leader and rearrange to get the name of a friend and visitor of the fictional character.
To quote Melville (on Emerson), "I love all men who dive."
DeleteTake the letters making up both names of the two famous people plus both names of the fictional character. Rearrange those letters, just one of each, and add one more different letter at the end, to get the name of a phase we have all gone through.
ReplyDeleteYour directions are confusing me. What are you going for here? What do you mean by "rearrange those letters, just one of each? Are we removing duplicate letters, or just shifting a single letter per name?
DeleteThis is a somewhat aristocratic puzzle in my opinion,
ReplyDeleteIf I ever write a play, the protagonist's first name is gonna be Harlanursul.
ReplyDeleteIn that case, Paul, perhaps it would be best if you stick to puzzle solving and let others write plays.
DeleteIm reminded of a Halloween activity by this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteI believe both of these people have come under attack for questionable behaviors.
ReplyDelete... and the other was accused of theft.
DeleteAt last I got it! Of the three names involved, two weren't really familiar to me. It's the one that was that probably deserves partial credit for my ability to finally solve the puzzle. 😁
ReplyDeleteAnd now...time to pack, and head back home from a long weekend.
ReplyDeleteImagine if one of them killed the other?
ReplyDeleteI think the likelihood of that happening is rather limited.
DeleteIt has been whispered.
DeleteI just took a look at today's news. Don't worry, Blaine, I'm not making that mistake again.
ReplyDeletemt+v=0
ReplyDeleter = tmi [Blaine's Law]
Deletev = ir [Ohm's Law] -1 [definition]
i² = =1
thus v = -tm
Late Sunday or early Monday I posted "R" (the idea being "eaRth"). The comment soon disappeared. In retrospect, "R" could also represent the rating of the joke skydiveboy alluded to (which is what led me to the answer).
And I wasn't thinking about Blaine's hint when I decided to speculate about becoming a playwright rather than a novelist.
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Delete?? Could you hum a bar or two of it?
ReplyDeleteThe first name I thought of was Trump, but I couldn't think of anyone from the world of business who fit.
ReplyDeleteBILL GATES, BOB SAGET; BILBO BAGGINS
ReplyDeleteI was quite sure Bill Gates was right; Bilbo Baggins flowed from there. Bob Saget was the last piece of the puzzle to drop.
"P. S." >>> Peter Scolari was the actor who portrayed Michael in "Newhart." At one point, Michael was a grocery store bagger, akin to Bilbo's last name of Baggins.
BILL GATES & BOB SAGET + BILBO BAGGINS
ReplyDeleteMy Hints:
"This is a somewhat aristocratic puzzle in my opinion."
Bob Saget was one of the performers in "The Aristocrats" documentary that was up for numerous Peebody's.
"I just took a look at today's news. Don't worry, Blaine, I'm not making that mistake again."
Recently, when the puzzle answer was Bangladesh, Blaine removed a comment I made about the coincidence in that day's news about a fire in Bangladesh. Well, Bob Saget was back in the news again for police incompetence by police in his death investigation. Imagine that! Police incompetence. Who would have thought?
BILL GATES, BOB SAGET, BILBO BAGGINS
ReplyDeleteMy first answer was RAY KROC, KID ROCK, KIRA ARGOUNOVA (the protagonist of Ayn Rand’s first novel, We the Living). This may be a valid alternate answer, but there are several possible objections: The answer requires reversing the order of the first names of the businessman and the entertainer to derive the fictional character’s first name, it stretches the meaning of “first name” in the case of “Kid” (was this what Dr. Awkward was referring to?), and I’m not certain I would call Rand’s protagonist “famous.”
So at first, I said the puzzle was “hard.” —> (KID) ROCK
But once I solved it correctly, I said it wasn’t.—> SOFT —> MICROSOFT
About my lengthy post: in it there are a number of covert anagrams from The Hobbit: “liken to” —> TOLKIEN; “glad fan” —> GANDALF; and “go mull” —> GOLLUM.
I spotted those! That's why I added,
Delete"Oh, and I understand what led Ron to his question about Tonto, above..."
LED RON anagrams to ELROND, a half-elf friend of Bilbo's. And:
"One (more?) clue: drop a letter from the name of a beloved leader and rearrange to get the name of a friend and visitor of the fictional character."
BLAINE is the beloved leader, and BALIN is a dwarf who visited Bilbo after the action was over.
Dr. K, that's exactly the initial answer I had! And indeed, I wasn't satisfied with "Kid" as a first name. See above for my Tolkien clue...
DeleteBILL GATES, BOB SAGET, BILBO (Baggins)
ReplyDelete> Put one letter between the two first names to get the first two names of someone whose last name is composed of two common words.
Billy Bob Thornton.
> This one GETS A thumbs up.
Anagrams to GATES and SAGET
>> I believe both of these people have come under attack for questionable behaviors.
> ... and the other was accused of theft.
"Thief, thief, thief! Baggins! We hates it, we hates it, we hates it forever!"
(Bill) GATES — (Bob) SAGET — Bil(l), Bo(b) — BILBO (Baggins)
ReplyDeleteMy clue:
And now...time to pack, and head back home….
"Pack," as in: "pack your bags" (an oblique reference to "Baggins").
Bill Gates' name came to mind pretty much right away, only that anagramming it to "Saget" didn't make a light bulb go off in my head at first, since I wasn't really familiar with Bob Saget. It occurred to me later that I should have been, given that his name has been in the news because of the circumstances surrounding his death. As for Bilbo Baggins, I am not into the Lord of the Rings stories, hence I never knew about Bilbo until after I had matched up Bill Gates and Bob Saget, and googled "Bilbo" from there.
Oh, and I also hinted Bill Gates "probably deserves partial credit for my ability to finally solve the puzzle."
DeleteWell, with all the IT advancements connected to Microsoft, I guess it was in part thanks to Bill Gates that I was able to browse all those lists I had been googling.
In fact, it was when I ran into Bilbo Baggins on this list that I was able to piece together the answer.
BILL GATES & BOB SAGET → BILBO BAGGINS
ReplyDeleteBILL GATES, BOB SAGET, BILBO BAGGINS
ReplyDelete"It might be even trickier for people in New Jersey." New Jersey had a law go into effect on May first that most stores may not give customers plastic bags. There are exceptions, but I did not see an exception for Bilbo Baggins. :-)
I actually had Bill Gates on my list of possibilities and annagrammed it to STAGE, but didn't think of SAGET. Later, I decided to approach the puzzle from the other direction, and googled famous literary characters. Bilbo Baggins was one of the first results. I immediately thought of Bill Gates again, and Bob was the first name I thought of starting with BO. At that point SAGET immediately came to mind.
DeleteI wrote, “The last names also anagram to something in entertainment.” Blaine quite properly deleted this. I had thought, “No one can take all things in entertainment and try to anagram them into names.” But stupidly, I had not thought that someone could take a list of last names of famous businessmen, and see which one anagrams to something in entertainment. I apologize again.
ReplyDeleteI did not know the entertainer. Looking at first names minus last letters of famous businessmen got me “BIL” and I was familiar with _The Hobbit_ and _Lord of the Rings_ from reading them to my sons many years ago. “BO” got me to look at the IMDB for actors with the name Bob, and done.
"Jeff Zarkin Puzzle Riffs" is our main event on this week's Puzzleria!
ReplyDeleteWe upload Puzzleria! in the wee hours every Friday, just after Midnight PDT.
Jeff (you many know him by his screen name "SuperZee") has concoted a pair of brilliant posers titled:
1) "Bird is the Word" (in you must divide a BIRD into four letters that are not B I R and D), and
2) "Name the Numbers" (which involves four numbers, including the number 3, Hank Aaron's uniform #44, and two other numbers whose difference is 44).
Also on our menus are:
* a Schpuzzle of the Week titled "Hanging (from) arts and aircrafts
* a Puzzle Slice about a "very very very 'big house,' "
* a Dessert Slice about "Fighting fires with fire... hoses," and
* eleven riff-offs of this week's "Bilbolicious" NPR puzzle, including one created by ecoarchitect and two inspired by skydiveboy.
Drop by for some fun with numbers, words, birds and Bilbos!
LegoWhoAlwaysWasAFanOfNumber44
Bill Gates, Bob Saget, Bilbo. My hint was “Euskara,” which is another name for the Basque language. In the Basque language, the major Basque population center of Bilbao is “Bilbo.”
ReplyDeleteGuessing the popular fictional character first gave me the answer. I wrote down Frodo Oliver Huck Harry Alice Wilbur Bilbo. I immediately saw Bill and Bob. The anagrammed surnames came last. I'm learning to accept myself as a last clue first puzzler!
ReplyDeleteOh well, defeated again.
ReplyDeleteBILL GATES, BOB SAGET, BILBO BAGGINS
ReplyDeleteI wrote to Dr. Awkward that there is a specific answer that's quite clearly the intended answer. I believe I have it, and I believe you will know when you have it. Open and shut case.
Clearly, Open, Shut, Case were all implying Windows the scourge that Bill Gates hath wrought upon us all.
Clever!
DeleteMy comment was removed: "Anyone up for a hand of poker?" Of course, that was about "Full House". Was kinda surprised it was removed, but I understand rules is rules. I just don't understand the rules.
ReplyDeleteWilliam (Bill) Henry Gates, Robert (Bob) Lane Saget
ReplyDeleteHenry Lane was the 13th governor of the state of Indiana, a position previously held by Mike Pence who was much in the news last week with in regard to the January 6th congressional hearings. Mr. Lane occupied the office for two days before resigning.
Yes, yes, Gates, Saget, Bil+ Bo = Bilbo, as in Baggins. As I said, this is a good puzzle, even if Saget was foul mouthed. Anybody have any murder conspiracies? They are around. The most questionable theory is the coroner who said that the wound to Bob Saget's skull was what he would expect from a 30-foot fall. Yet there was no hint of a possible murder. Remember Bob Crane? There was a lot of blood with that one, yet there is hardly any mention of blood in Saget's case. Somebody suggested a rubber bullet fired from the back of his skull. However, there was no bullet found.
ReplyDeleteRegardless, Bob Saget was murdered.
Like Kurt Cobain?
DeleteHe could really fire rubber bullets fr om his head?
DeleteYea- Carole King "Wedding bell blues" -Bill I love you so. Bill and the other guy- Saget.. First clue was removed - " a west coast advantage here."
ReplyDeleteInteresting because Carole King hated the west coast. She is afraid to fly.
DeleteAnd didn't Laura Nyro write WBB?
DeleteYes, Laura Nyro did
DeleteYes. Laura Nyro- but TMI.
DeleteWest coast was an allusion to Seattle. Home of BG on Lake Wash.not far from me. Or should i say BGG -Mr.Big, Biggie Gates, Mr.Bill.
DeleteQ: Take the letters making up both names of the two famous people plus both names of the fictional character. Rearrange those letters, just one of each, and add one more different letter at the end, to get the name of a phase we have all gone through.
ReplyDeleteA: BLASTOGENIC, GENOBLASTIC
very clever.
DeleteBill Gates, Bob Saget->Bilbo Baggins
ReplyDeleteIt completely slipped my mind that I posted a hint on "Sun Jun 19, 09:30:00 AM PDT," which said, in part, that Peter Collins' puzzle "deserves inclusion on the Dante-like Honor Roll this Dairy Month."
ReplyDeleteTake: "Dante-like Honor Roll this Dairy Month,"
Substitute "June" for "this Dairy Month"
Anagram: "Dante-like Honor Roll June"
to get:
"John Ronald Reuel Tolkien," creator of Bilbo Baggins.
LegoBegoBeboBelboBilbo
Well it is a slippery clue.
DeleteThe Variety puzzle in this Sunday's New York Times is "Just Saying", by Will Shortz:
ReplyDeleteChange one letter in each word to spell a new word. Then arrange the new words to form a familiar proverb or saying. For example, given the words DOES, LIP, LOT and SWEEPING, you could change them to DOGS, LIE, LET and SLEEPING and then arrange them to spell “Let sleeping dogs lie.”
Seems like a cross-stitch sampler on autocorrect.
Can you correct that link? When I try it, I get "{"status":"ERROR","errors":["Not Found"],"results":[]}".
DeletePeople are now getting all upset over the Supreme Court ruling today. Why not before? A little late now. But we still do have the right to chews. Alberts Fruit Chews is an individually wrapped candy that is great for party favor bags, Halloween trick-or-treaters, and school or church carnivals. Choose your flavor today and let democracy take care of itself. It's the American way.
ReplyDeleteThey come in a variety of great flavors: apple, strawberry, orange, lemon and lime. Naturally and artificially flavored. Get some now, either in a convenient size roll or by the bag, always choose Fruit Chews!
Delete(Albert's Fruit Chews!)
Musinglink,
DeleteThanks so much for getting involved in protecting our right to chews. If we don't protect it now, it will soon be taken away.
BILL GATES, BOB SAGET, BILBO BAGGINS
ReplyDeletepjbWishesHeHadMoneyRidingOnWhetherOrNotHe'llBeAbleToSolveNextWeek'sChallenge(There'sUsuallyAFewEasyOnes,ButThenYouNeverKnowWhenTheToughie(s)WillPopUp!)
This week's challenge is a little different from the usual. It's a riddle from Greg Van Mechelen, of Berkeley, Calif. How old was Reverend Spooner when he found happiness?
ReplyDeleteCongratulations, again, ecoarchitect!
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