NPR Sunday Puzzle (June 11, 2017): Charmed by Chinchilla Fragrance?:
Q: Consider this sentence:
Benjamin, the Greenpeace ombudsman in the panorama, was charmed by the chinchilla fragrance.
This sentence contains seven words of seven or more letters. They have something very unusual in common. What is it, and can you think of an eighth word with the same property?
I think I may start my week with a folded tortilla.
Edit: The phrase "Monday Taco" would work if two-word phrases were allowed.
A: Drop one or more letters from the middle of the word and what remains is the name of a country (Benin, Greece, Oman, Panama, Chad, China, France). There are many other words you could name (Chamomile, Chipotle, Childlike, Childcare, Indicia, Ironman, Niggler, Nightclubber, Nightcrawler, Turnkey, etc.)
Here's my standard reminder... don't post the answer or any hints that could lead directly to the answer (e.g. via a chain of thought, or an internet search) before the deadline of Thursday at 3pm ET. If you know the answer, click the link and submit it to NPR, but don't give it away here.
ReplyDeleteYou may provide indirect hints to the answer to show you know it, but make sure they don't give the answer away. You can openly discuss your hints and the answer after the Thursday deadline. Thank you.
A fair to middlin puzzle.
ReplyDeleteI immediately thought I had the full answer. But I was conned.
ReplyDeleteSo far I have 3 solid answers + 1 marginally acceptable. And 2 in 6 letters.
If he's allowing proper names (Benjamin, Greenpeace) I've got 3 additional solutions, and two more solid (non-capitalized) answers, as well as 1 hyphenated answer.
DeleteAlas, 2 of the solid answers could describe, yes, the orangutan in chief.
I may start my week with a cup of a certain tea...
ReplyDeleteUnless I have been conned, I have five "eighth word" answers thus far, including the "offensive word" I alluded to in last week's comments.
DeleteI don't know what tea ron is drinking. I thought it might be darjeeling, but I guess that's not his cup of tea.
One of my five "eighth words" was a part of an answer to a puzzle in one of my three "Thankgiving-themed" editions of Puzzleria!
I have an inkling about what prompted Mr. Shortz to come up with the idea for this puzzle.
LegoCautionsThatIfIndeedHeHasBeenConnedPleaseKindlyIgnoreEverythingHeHasStatedInThisPost!
I have ELEVEN "eighth word" answers!
DeleteI stopped at four answers. That's enough, considering the puzzle only requires one. Those four don't include the offensive one, because I don't think that would be appropriate for NPR. Interestingly enough, that word never appeared in George Carlin's Seven Dirty Words routine, even though it clearly no professional broadcaster would use it. As a tangent of that, several years ago, the morning guy on our local NPR station had some issues with the equipment in the studio. Not realizing he had a hot mike, openly used one or more of the seven dirty words on air repeatedly, swearing at the malfunctioning equipment. He managed to keep his job, but had to apologize on air.
DeleteCouple of ambiguities in the puzzle:
Delete1) WS's words are "seven or more letters", can the answer have fewer?
2) Are proper nouns permitted?
My count has variants, and I would contend there is some legitimate debate about the common characteristic. But I don't know how to hint more without giving away anything. So far I have:
- 6 with 7 or more letters, including 3 variants
- 3 with 6 letters, plus 2 variants on one of the 7 or more letters
- 1 obscure word that might be illegitimate
- 1 hyphenated word, though I don't think it's common
- 4 proper nouns, 1 with a variant, and 3 that are variants of a non-capitalized word. One has fewer than 7 letters.
- Finally, one is debatable, but has at least 12 potential answers.
I found this puzzle to be rather lugubrious.
ReplyDeleteI found it hard to state a hint that would not simply land someone on the answer, but there is a musical clue that involves jokers or clowns. ---Rob
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ReplyDelete"Very unusual."
ReplyDeleteThis usually means that Will didn't spend any time working on the puzzle himself and there are likely to be many answers.
His acceptance of St. Louis was a little less than wholehearted.
Celebrity and question foofah took up the majority of air time. I wonder if he got different feedback than what was obvious here.
A very saucy puzzle indeed, as it relates to an eighth word and its property.
ReplyDeleteIs anyone else perturbed by the "special guest" this morning?
ReplyDeleteYes. I thought they agreed to drop that.
DeleteBenjamin, the Greenpeace ombudsman in the panorama, was charmed by the chinchilla fragrance, the chillable red served, and Dan Gilroy's creepy flick "Nightcrawler".
ReplyDeleteAlas, this week's was harder than the previous...I'll have to take a break and enjoy that chillable red with some Gabaldon books.
DeleteI prefer the Ironman movies.
DeleteI'm currently stumped, and I'm afraid I'm stepping into overthinking space. Sigh...
ReplyDeleteI give up!
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DeleteBrownie camera?? Who, under the age of 50 would know what that is? And who, over the age of 70 would remember?
ReplyDeleteTrue. Shows how old the puzzle is or age of creator I imagine.
DeleteI own a Brownie camera, but then I collect old cameras. And, yes, I'm over 50.
DeleteSeveral choices, from pot to fabric.
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ReplyDeleteLulu stated over 850 answers but not how many correct. Wish they would just say how many correct. I think they take first correct answer and never look at others very much. Just look at variety of answers. Need to do research on when selected Blaine joggers submitted answers.
ReplyDeleteNatasha, they have a TIME picked out, and the first correct answer after that time is the winner. (I specifically asked about this, the first time I won, back in 2012, so that's why I know.) It's just like the way online sweepstakes choose winners.
DeleteI thought the winner was selected at random from all the correct answers received before the deadline.
DeleteAs I pointed out several times recently, the words "random" and "correct" are no longer used or apparently operative anywhere on the Sunday Puzzle.
DeleteI may be the only one who wonders who the heck makes the decisions there.
I think that the show must be Shortz's property and PUBLIC radio buys it with less and less accountability for finances and content.
Is there anyway to view today's guest, whoever the hell he is, as other than advvertising (which usually involves money)?
I have long wondered about the "random" choosing of a weekly winner. Now, since winning, I am wondering how they send out the "fabulous prizes" as it seems to be different for some of us. I received the Scrabble game the first week, but did not receive the pin until yesterday after two emails. I doubt I will ever get the other stuff. Lego got his pin within a few days and has not yet received the rest of his stuff. Margaret G. waited 6 or 7 months before posting here she had received nothing. So, is the prize distribution random too?
DeleteI received the lapel pin within a couple of weeks. I got the Scrabble game 2 or 3 weeks ago, and got the books this past week. So... at least I got everything within 9 months, sort of like a baby... I hope you and Lego get all your prizes eventually! --Margaret G.
DeleteI thought was random selection. But the process not spelled out. Interested in violinteddy's posted method from the source. Wow..sure is random process for prizes. Now someone please give me a clue about this puzzle!
DeleteViolinTeddy: Are you saying they choose some random time (e.g. 10:15 am Tuesday) and the first correct answer after that is the winner?
DeleteIf anyone else here wins I think that's a good question to repeat.
This website has a description of three ways online contests work. The first two are fair (apparently there is software that can randomize the entries, so no bag needed).
I'm no statistician nor expert in such things, but it's deeply disturbing if they use the third method. I imagine many submit their answers Sunday morning, and the likelihood of them picking that time at random is pretty slim. And to be fair to West Coasters (and Alaskans and Hawaiians) it wouldn't make any sense to answer early Sunday morning EST. Similarly many people might wait to enter until the last minute, and would be similarly disadvantaged.
Natasha:
DeleteI thought I did.
Donations matter.
DeleteI thought was random selection. But the process not spelled out. Interested in violinteddy's posted method from the source. Wow..sure is random process for prizes. Now someone please give me a clue about this puzzle!
DeleteSdb...you did what...??? I am clueless in Berkeley!
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DeleteYes, as I recall from 4.5 years ago, that is exactly what they do...select a random time, say 1 p.m. on Tuesday and the first correct answer after that time, wins. Thus, there is little point in RUSHING on Sunday to get one's answer in. It's not going to be the 'first correct answer', unless like suggested above, the slim chance has come along that the selected time/date IS Sunday. I believe both times I won, I sent my answer in on Tuesday.
DeleteRe the late prize arrivals: the first time, NONE of mine showed up, so I phoned to talk to them, and then they got the pin sent and had the books and game sent (which come from somewhere else.) THe second time, everything showed up in a timely manner, without any coaxing from me. It's extremely strange that so many of you have had such exasperating trouble with this, especially the nine months thing! Wow.
DeleteI remember many times hearing that Will is about to play on air "with our randomly selected winner." In the postcard days, that was easy to arrange - put all the postcards in a big box, stir, and have a blindfold draw. I have no idea how they did it during the crossover period when they were accepting both postcards and e-mail answers. I had just assumed that nowadays someone got their computer to assign a number, perhaps the order of receipt, to every answer sent in, and then those numbers were picked randomly by their computer. Like many others, I send my answer in as soon as I get it, which usually is Sunday morning, just to get it out of the way. If, however, they have a pool based on the time stamp of the entry, that's not a good strategy, and so the pick isn't random. Heck. I hope one of us gets an opportunity to ask Will this sometime soon.
DeleteNo longer clueless in bezerkeley.
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DeleteHad answer all along but thought too easy to be answer.
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DeleteTrying to count all the possible 8th words is making me tense, and I won't attempt to describe the property, even if you twist my arm.
ReplyDeleteYeah? Well, these pretzels are making me thirsty!... and don't try twisting my arm because I might think it's a big PRETZEL and start snacking on it.
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Changed, charred, chartered, chagrined, challenged ... there were so many past tense CHADs hanging around that I got sick of keeping track of them. I don't think the wording of the puzzle requires avoiding the countries already used, but Will may think that goes without saying. He also may think the answer must have at least 7 letters, disqualifying SPrAIN (twisted arm), but I don't think the question is so worded. Will no one rescue me from this muddlesome puzzle?
DeleteI solved it in a few minutes, but it was tough coming up with an eighth word at first. I hope Will doesn't mind I had two possible answers.
ReplyDeleteI agree cranberry. Finding an eighth word has given my brain a good sprain. Another fun puzzle this week!
ReplyDeleteI think that there are actually two conditions that must be met. Which, if I am correct, would make one of these possible answers the only relevant one. Sort of like Christmas in June.
ReplyDeleteI also found two conditions.
DeleteI see a second condition met by Benjamin, panorama, chinchilla, and fragrance. But Greenpeace, ombudsman and charmed don't work. Curious.
Deleteeco,
DeleteThe second condition I see flips "fragrance" over to the Greenpeace/ombudsman/charmed side. Do we have different conditions?
LegoWhoUsesNoShampoo...JustConditioner
lego,
DeleteAt first I had fragrance on the Greenpeace side, but then I saw it met the first condition in more than one way.
I have one solution that fits both conditions readily, pretty sure it's the same as Blaine's, but I am sorry to see him going there. I have two obscure words that also work - one of questionable origin, as well as 3 proper nouns.
DeleteI found 87 words (in the Moby list of common words) with this "very unusual" property.
ReplyDeleteI'll think about it while watching large sea mammals near a big souther island.
ReplyDeleteI thought this was a good puzzle!
ReplyDeleteI agree. BTW, what kind of wax do you use on a '68 Charger?
DeleteEloquent wax, of course.
DeleteDid you ever drive it in a gymkhana?
DeleteHere is my hint:
ReplyDeleteShe runs a ranch in Arizona.
I expected to find that to be a line from a song I thought of using as a musical clue, but it's not. You'll have to explain on Thursday.
DeleteThere seems to be something irrational about this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteWhat ViolinTeddy posted about how NPR chooses the winning entry was very interesting.
ReplyDeleteSo was eco's link regarding the three methods by which entries are chosen online. The first two seem random and fair.
The third method (presumably the one NPR employs) seems non-random and unfair. It also jibes with my experience. All three times I "got the call" I believe I submitted my answer later rather than sooner. (I'm not your "solve the puzzle before Will is done reading it, or before hopping out of bed" kind of guy. I'm a sloooww solver. And when I do luck onto the answer quickly, I tend to procrastinate before entering.)
Anyway, unless the puzzle is really tough, I'll bet NPR receives the majority of their entries by Sunday evening, or by sometime Monday at the latest. The odds are against those early entrants.
Like clotheslover and 68charger, I too liked this puzzle. Its format reminded me of one of my favorite puzzles I ran on Puzzleria! -- this Sure Looks Like Sherlock Slice: The 34.9 Percent Solution from 2015.
Here is a hint for this week's NPR puzzle (alert the Blog Administrator so he can hover his finger over the "Delete" button!):
A 7-syllable word describing measures promoted by Gerald Ford in the mid-1970s, and...
An art our present president claims to have mastered, in 5 syllables.
LegoNotesThatPresidentFordDidNotDonAnNPRLapelPinButHeDidDonAButtonDisplayingThreeOtherLetters
Earlier today after reading eco's post I went and looked to see if I had deleted the automated NPR response to my entry for the recent week I won. I had not deleted it yet and discovered my entry time was 11:02 PM on the Sunday of the puzzle presentation. I usually enter on Sunday, or sometimes wait until Monday, but, while I frequently wait a while before submitting, I do occasionally enter very early. I have heard a couple of winners from long back say they entered shortly before the deadline.
DeleteAs to receiving the swag late, or not at all, for me not receiving the pin until I emailed twice, four days apart, had a spoiling effect on the whole thing, and I find it amazing so many here have also had similar experiences with the "fabulous prize" distribution.
I was shocked to hear this morning another a**hole "I just happened to drop by and crash your party" "special guest" usurp the experience of not only the winner, but all of us as well. And I never heard of the jerk. Stop insulting us, NPR!
Way back when I wondered if sending in a bigger postcard would give you an advantage, but I never cared enough to experiment. These folks had similar thoughts, and actually did something about it. I still maintain the "random time" method is unfair and offensive.
DeleteAt least this week's "guest" was relatively quiet, which then raises the question of why are they doing this? Cross-linked advertising for money is the only reason I can think of. I like trying new things, but this doesn't do anything for me. Taking away from someone's 5 minutes on the air is callous, especially if that person has fallen so many times in the past, if you know what I mean.
This reminds me of the old Martin Gardner puzzle that many of you probably know: a guy has two girlfriends, one in the Bronx and one in Brooklyn. He can't decide which one he likes better so instead when he goes to the subway station he simply gets on whatever train arrives first: either the Lexington Express heading to the Bronx or the 6th Ave. local to Brooklyn. Each train arrives at the station every ten minutes and always on time. After a few months he notices that he is seeing the girl in Brooklyn nine times more often than his flame in the Bronx, even though he always makes a random choice which train to take. Why?
DeleteNever heard the puzzle, but Bronx train arrives 1 minute after the Brooklyn train.
DeleteTheoretically, maybe. But according to the MTA subway map, there's no such station.
Deleteeco:
DeleteI don't think the "guest" was relatively quiet, he immediately blurted out the answer to the first question.
Jan--I knew I would get called on this. I tried to read the tiny indecipherable pixels on my computer and guessed the best I could. Eco is right, of course.
DeleteWhen I posed this to my brother-in-law the English professor he came up with increasingly elaborate explanations involving the boyfriend's subjective preferences, unknown even to himself, rooted in his childhood and his unresolved issues with his mother, that made his random choice not so random after all. A better answer from an academic perspective.
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DeleteWouldn't a tracking device have helped?
DeleteMaybe, but you need training to use it.
Deleteeco, are you railing against me?
DeleteA fare assessment.
DeleteYou guys been token on those funny cigarettes?
Deletejan,
DeleteJust what are you reefering to?
SDB, I don't think the MTA runs refrigerator cars, but I'll check with my railfan brother-in-law. (Actually, given their legendary problems with air conditioning, it might not be a bad idea.)
Deletejan,
DeleteNice photo, but don't they make them in designer colors?
(Isn't the internet wonderful?)
Deletejan, you should have gone into obstetrics, because you always deliver.
DeleteI thoroughly enjoyed this puzzle, even though my friend Carmen got there much faster.
ReplyDeleteAs to how the “random winner” is chosen. Note that none of the methods listed in ECO’s reference require submittals be reviewed for correctness before a winner is selected. This explains why NPR no longer states the number of correct entries, and why alternate solutions are frequently not mentioned – they may never have been read!
Did anyone find an eighth word that has the required property in multiple ways? There is at least one.
ReplyDeleteYes.
DeleteMe too
Deletefragrance
DeleteDidn't Mennan Skin Bracer have chinchillas?
ReplyDeleteYes, but those are Burmaese chinchillas.
Deletejan, that made my Monday.
DeleteChip 'n' Dale weren't chinchillas, were they?
DeleteNo, but Dale Evans was.
DeleteJan, "Thanks, I needed that!"
DeleteThis puzzle may be a record even for Will Shortz in its muddledness.
ReplyDeleteWhile there may be one thing the subject words have in common, there is only that one thing and it ignores the fact that there are myriad other places and ways they connect.
As I implied in my first post, this one where the PM could have saved all of us hours of confusion if he had spent minutes of his enigmatological superiority on vetting it.
Nothing has been different all these years and we take it or leave it I think.
ReplyDeleteI went to a Republican town hall meeting today put on by one of our U.S. Senators. It was very interesting to say the least. For one thing, I admired him for even showing up!
ReplyDeleteHe sure took the heat for his voting record on healthcare and other hot topics. (No, not that kind of topic!) I behaved myself and was on my best behavior.
I saw how, when the going got tough, our senator would try to deftly change the subject to something innocent like "apple pie" or somethong else. Fortunately the crowd would keep him on topic!
Is the person who picked Wikipedia's featured picture today a Blainesvillager?
ReplyDeleteThose of you who haven't seen this week's Puzzleria! should be glad there's only one or two things you normally have to do with the Sunday Puzzle. No offense to Legolambda, but there's quite a bit to have to do on his blog this week, and I'm busy planning a trip to Florida later this week. So I've got plenty on my mind as it is. I just thank God I solved the Sunday Puzzle as quickly as I could.
ReplyDeletecranberry,
DeleteI like to think of Puzzleria! as a smorgasbord, a buffet table where one chooses an hors d'oeuvre or two or more, and then chews on it or them. No pressure. It's "all you care to eat."
I do appreciate your competitive spirit, however, cranberry. You do tend to sample all the puzzles on our weekly menus and, more often than not, gobble them all up! Nothing wrong with that.
But neither is it wrong to approach P! as a leisurely walk in the woods rather than a sprint to the finish.
LegoSaysNoOffenseTaken
Musical clue: Sam Cooke
ReplyDeleteAfter some thought I finally came up with an answer that works, including an eighth word. But the answer seems so trivial and rudimentary that I’m left with the lingering thought that that couldn’t _really_ be the intended answer, could it?
ReplyDeleteFor years and years craven slackers have lurked in the dark of their computer caves waiting for some careless NPR Puzzle solver to make obvious the correct ANSWER before the deadline.
ReplyDeleteThis announcement could have appeared on Richard Renner's blog, blainesville or the lamented crosswordman/Magdalen blog.
Upon the appearance of the correct ANSWER minutes or hours early, one or more of that unscrupulous group could have sent it to Will Shortz at NPR, usurping honest submissions and gaining access to air time on Sunday and the coveted bounty of PRIZES.
Now it seems that the path to fame and fortune need not entail the submission of a correct ANSWER at all and that there is no longer the claim or expectation that the person of the week can expect randomness in his or her selection.
Also worrying is the possibility that the selection may be wrapped up well before all the submissions are received or even sent.
It is not my rule to change, but it may be time to discuss the bugaboo that is Thursday noon to three.
Nonsense!
DeleteNothing was said to indicate someone would be chosen who had submitted an incorrect answer. In fact, frequently Will Shortz states that he also accepted or didn't accept alternative answers.
I trust that WS is not accepting incorrect answers, but I wish I knew the method for selecting the winner. It seems easier in the old postcard days, they put all the entries into a bag, pull one out, and if it has the correct answer then they're done.
DeleteI'm still curious how they do it in the digital age, they can do the equivalent by assigning #'s to each entry received, and then have a computer pick a number at random. That doesn't solve the question of how many correct entries were received, though that's an academic question for puzzle geeks. Still seems easy to do, they could do a word search of the received entries, and see how many times the correct answer appears.
I would be very disturbed if they select the winner by a time stamp, that seems very unfair.
eco,
DeleteI too am very concerned how they choose winners, as I am now determined to win three more times and beat Lego's record.
In respect for tradition (you remember tradition, don't you, eco?) I suggest NPR have interns transcribe each and every entry, as it comes in, onto a blank postcard and then place them (each postcard, Harriet) into a duffle bag. Then, at noon on Thursdays, they could reach in and accept the first correct answer. Also, in an endeavor to prevent Russians from meddling, they might be able to hire James Comey to supervise and insure an honest outcome. Soon, I hope, they could also hire Jeff Sessions as a final arbitrator.
Unfortunately Jefferson Beauregard is not available, he was last heard saying "Mah word, Miss Kamala, your questions have done gone given me the vapors!"
Deleteeco,
DeleteYou do know, at least I hope, that the vapors are a Southern euphemism for farts caused by the Belle's being trussed tightly into their garments and after eating, well you, and jan, too I would surmise, know the result. A stench worse than a Jeff Sessions hearing.
It also means being overcome by emotion. But I will agree DT and Sessions have been hoisted by their own petards.
DeleteThanks for the tip, eco. I just got off the phone with my stock broker and am now heavily invested in petards.
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ReplyDeleteNatasha,
DeleteCongratulations! I am nominating you for our blog Delete-Taunt. :-)
SDB: You answered my question and did not think it needed to be there forever. Also, most of the time my comments get printed twice and I have to delete one.
DeleteNatasha, I was not referring to you deleting your duplicate posts.
DeleteI think my posts are not good after post them. Cannot compare to yours...
DeleteI think my posts are not good after post them. Cannot compare to yours...
DeleteWell, if clarity of our posts were the criterion for which we strive, then Harriet would be the gold standard.
DeleteIs it too early for me to ask if UNSTEADY qualifies as an additional word?
ReplyDeleteWhat is Janet Yellen at?
ReplyDeleteThe unusual property of the given words is that they contain, using sequential letters from the beginning and ending of the word, the name of a country. (i.e., Benjamin/BENIN, Greenpeace/GREECE, etc.)
ReplyDeleteOther words with this property include: Chippendale/CHILE, Iroquoian/IRAN, Latinos/LAOS, and Lazarettos/LAOS.
If we allow words with place name roots, we also have: Australia/AUSTRIA, Indiana/INDIA, Iranian/IRAN, Irishman/IRAN, and Irishwoman/IRAN.
My comment regarding my friend Carmen was a reference to Where in The World is Carmen Sandiego.
Each of the words contains the name of a country when certain letters are removed. The countries are: Benin, Greece, Oman, Panama, Chad, China and France. An additional word with this property is: Perturbed which becomes: Peru. Also: Irrational becomes: Iran.
ReplyDeleteMy Hints:
“Is anyone else PERtUrbed by the "special guest" this morning?”
“Donations matter.” Or perhaps I could have posted it this way: Do nations matter?
“Is it too early for me to ask if UnSteAdy qualifies as an additional word?”
Last Tuesday I said, “After some thought I finally came up with an answer that works, including an eighth word. But the answer seems so trivial and rudimentary that I’m left with the lingering thought that that couldn’t _really_ be the intended answer, could it?”
ReplyDeleteSo it is with great embarrassment that I say the common property of the seven words is that they all contain the chemical element symbols of at least three different elements. The eighth word I selected is “chestnut” which also has that property.
Interesting!
DeleteGiven that manu chemical elements have only 1 letter (and the others have 2) I'm guessing there are a LOT of answers.
DeleteA good puzzle might be to list very short words that can be made with chemical elements, e.g. C+H+Ar. Or longer words (or famous people or places) that are made only of chemical elements, e.g. Sc+H+O+La+S+Ti+C.
Using only the beginning and final letters of each 7-letter or longer word in order, each word contains a country:
ReplyDeleteBenjamin = Benin
Greenpeace = Greece
Ombudsman = Oman
Panorama = Panama
Charmed = Chad
Chinchilla = China
Fragrance = France
I have ELEVEN “eighth word” answers:
1. Chamomile (tea) = Chile
2. Carnauba = Cuba
3. Guardroom = Guam
4. Irishman = Iran
5. Latinos = Laos
6. Malleoli = Mali
7. Nepotal = Nepal
8. Niggler = Niger
9. Portland = Poland
10. Spadassin = Spain
11. Turnkey = Turkey
My hint: a certain cup of tea = Chamomile tea.
As jan suggested there are many other “eighth word answers” and he came up with one I had not thought of “syringomyelia”>>>SYRIA
Just to be fussy, Guam is not a country, it's a US territory.
DeleteThat may be, but Guam has a COUNTRY calling code: 1-671
DeletePuerto Rican Nationalists support your logic.
DeleteEach of the given 7+ letter words, if you remove some consecutive letters from the middle, forms the name of a country
ReplyDelete(Benin, Greece, Oman, Panama, Chad, China, and France).
> Chip 'n' Dale weren't chinchillas, were they?
No, but Chippendale has the property.
> What kind of wax do you use on a '68 Charger?
I'd use carnauba wax.
> Did you ever drive it in a gymkhana?
Another one.
> I think she left out chancroid and syringomyelia.
Two more words with the property.
> Is the person who picked Wikipedia's featured picture today a Blainesvillager?
Thats's a chaetopod.
> I found 87 words (in the Moby list of common words) with this "very unusual" property.
australasia
australia
austrasia
austronesia
benign
benison
benjamin
benzoin
bestialize
brunelleschi
carnauba
chaetopod
chalkboard
chambermaid
chamomile
chancroid
chard
charged
chari-nile
chaudfroid
chicle
childe
childlike
chiliad
chinchilla
chipotle
chippendale
christina
chrysotile
chucklehead
contango
curitiba
esthonia
forbearance
fort-de-france
fragrance
franchise
francophile
francophobe
freelance
furtherance
gabion
great-niece
gymkhana
indiana
indicia
indonesia
iranian
irishman
ironman
iroquoian
jampan
kenyatta
laclos
lagos
laoighis
machiavelli
malachi
malawi
malinowski
malpighi
maltha
mexicali
nigger
nightrider
nightwalker
oarsman
ombudsman
omdurman
one-man
orangeman
orchardman
ottoman
outman
overman
oysterman
panorama
perdu
portland
soudan
spavin
sprain
styria
swedenborgian
syringa
syringomyelia
touch-and-go
turnkey
I wrote, "I found it hard to state a hint that would not simply land someone on the answer, but there is a musical clue that involves jokers or clowns." The hints were "state" and "land" which are synonyms of "nation;" and "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right" from the song "Stuck in the Middle with You," since the nations have letters stuck in the middle of them.
ReplyDeleteI liked the meme that showed up a few months ago, a green image of Ireland, with the caption,
DeleteTrump to the left of me,
Brexit to the right,
Eire I am,
Stuck in the middle with E.U.
nephridial, the adj. form of nephridium, seems missing on the lists above.
ReplyDeleteYou must have missed NEPOTAL. See above.
DeleteOr nephrological
DeleteAnaconda almost works, eh?
ReplyDeleteI had the same condition, removal of some letters in the middle yields a country name.
ReplyDeleteHenry W and Brisco posed that there was a second condition, the only one I could come up with was the letters removed were also a word, which works for:
BENjamIN, PANorAMA, CHINchillA, FragRANCE
But not GREEnpeaCE OMbudsmAN CHArmeD
My list included:
AUSTRalIA (proper noun)
CHIpotLE (also fulfills the requirement that the letters removed are a word)
CHILdcarE
CHILdlikE (Trump descriptor)
CHIppendaLE (proper noun)
CHIcLE
GABiON (we use them in buildings)
INDIanA (proper noun)
INDonesIA (proper noun)
INDIrA (proper noun)
IRonmAN
LAdinOS (obscure)
LAtigOS (obscure?)
LAtinOS (proper noun)
LAgOS (proper noun)
MALawI (proper noun, I think this was a puzzle a few years back)
MICRO-amNESIA
NEPotismAL (another Trump word)
NIGglER (yet another Trumpian)
POrtLAND (proper noun)
SPrAIN
TURnKEY
YEoMEN
If Wales is a country (it is considered so in Great Britain, though it is not a UN member), there a lot of possibilities:
WhALES
WAddLES
WArbLES
WAffLES
WANGLES
WAggLES
WAttLES
WAshabLES
WAterhoLES
WALtzES
WALleyES
WALrusES
ecoarchitect: I also toyed with the idea that the unused middle letters also created a word(s), but it seemed unclear if it is part of the "unusual property" of each word.
DeleteEach word contains the name of a world country, formed by using the first and last letters of each word.
ReplyDeleteBENjamIN/BENIN*GREEnpeaCE/GREECE
OMbusdmAN/OMAN*PANorAMA/PANAMA
CHArmeD/CHAD*CHINchiillA/CHINA
FRAgraNCE/FRANCE
I wrote "this puzzle has given my brain a good sprain." SPrAIN/SPAIN
"She runs a ranCH IN Arizona."/CHINA Similarly hidden in plain sight!
Sam Cooke: What a Wonderful World
"Don't know much about geography"
IRonmAN/IRAN
NIGhtcrawlER/NIGER
GABilliON/GABON
ReligiOMANIA/ROMANIA
YEowoMEN/YEMEN
TOuch-and-GO/TOGO
CHIpotLE/CHILE
TURnKEY/TURKEY
POrtLAND/POLAND
BEngaLIZE/BELIZE
INDonesIA/INDIA
AUSTRralIA/AUSTRIA
TObaGO/TOGO
I feel pretty stupid, not seeing CHINA in there, although that's a different kind of wordplay. I was sure you'd found a lost lyric to Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?!
DeleteFunny! For all we know, Carmen Sandiego may have run a ranch in Arizona. She was an international woman of mystery after all! And yes, I was going incognito with my clue!
DeleteI went with chippable/chillable.
ReplyDeleteLulu: Will, remind us and all that.
ReplyDeleteWill: Yes, I gave a weird sentence and said the words in it had something very unusual common and asked for that something and for 88 other words that shared it.
We got a whole bunch of answers to the first part, but nobody could come up with all the other words.
So we don't have a winner this week and we'll just kill time plugging our special celebrity guest.
Thanks, Lulu
Thanks, Will
BENJAMIN/BENIN
ReplyDeleteGREENPEACE/GREECE
OMBUDSMAN/OMAN
PANORAMA/PANAMA
CHARMED/CHAD
CHINCHILLA/CHINA
FRAGRANCE/FRANCE
Each word consists of names of foreign countries with a few extra letters in between. My eighth and ninth examples are CHAMOMILE or CHIPOTLE/CHILE.
Now it's off to Florida! See y'all later!
For those of you that know, when does the weekly winner receive the call to play on air?
ReplyDeleteShortly after the submission cut off.
DeleteYes, i.e., around 3:15 p.m. ET on Thursday, usually. Don't ignore a call from an unknown number in the 202 area then.
DeleteBlainesvilleans: I think you have left out a significant second condition that reduces the possible answers to very few and possibly just one: the removed letters will form another word, either in their original order or rearranged. Hence
ReplyDeleteBENJAMIN/BENIN + JAM
GREENPEACE/GREECE + PEAN or NEAP
OMBUDSMAN/OMAN + DUMBS
PANORAMA/PANAMA + ORA
CHARMED/CHAD + REM
CHINCHILLA/CHINA + CHILL
FRAGRANCE/FRANCE + RAG or GAR
I found one word that produced a similar pattern:
GERMANELY/GERMANY + EL
That was the hint buried in "would make one of these possible answers the only relevant one," with "relevant" hinting at "germane." And the statement "Sort of like Christmas in June" was meant to refer to Noel -- "no el."
I think Wee Willy might like this one: it has an anagram.
DeleteHenryW: Are you the Henry BW of Magdalen's circle?
I see ecoarchitect found a slew of words that meet this second condition--so germanely may be legit, but it isn't unique by any means. Which suggests that maybe Will has an even more devious answer; how else could he ask us to find an "eighth word"?
DeleteI hadn't thought of the anagram aspect, and as you note there are several leftovers that anagram into new words.
DeleteWS didn't say there was only one answer, he only asked us to find one that fit the criteria. It's not unusual for there to be several correct answers.
I'm just bummed that I didn't think of Brunelleschi, having climbed his Florentine dome, or Machiavelli, having thought we need him to revise his famous work as "The Executive".
I had the same answer, in that the letters removed from the middle to make the country name could be rearranged into words, except that from panorama to Panama, the leftover word is "or," and my eighth word was "Latinos," which has the leftover word "tin."
DeleteCan someone tell me the country with the "offensive word?
ReplyDeleteNiger?
yup.
DeleteMy clue -"very saucy puzzle " - was a reference to chipotle sauce and Chile (aka chili sauce)
ReplyDeleteWhat was Blaine's clue?
ReplyDeleteI thought it was a reference to Chipotle.
DeleteMe too.
DeleteI was thinking chimichanga = China
DeleteI don't think chimichanga works: in all of the sample words, the letters that get deleted to form the name of a country are consecutive.
DeleteI agree, the letters deleted need to be consecutive and found InTernALlY to the word, otherwise there are probably a lot of answers.
DeleteMy eighth word: ironman: Iran
ReplyDeleteI was earlier hinting at Australasia,(mentioned only by Jan.), which produces two countries, Australia and Austria.
ReplyDeleteIf city-states of the past fill the bill:
There's Athenians/Athens
Laotians, Laodiceans, lassos, yeggmen, chowderhead, burmannia, indiguria, timoneer
ReplyDeleteAnd don't forget good ol' indicia.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention a citicen of any of the, "Stans."
ReplyDeleteAFGANISTaniAN, KAZAKHSTaniAN, KURDISTaniAN, KYRGYSTaniAN, PAKISTaniAN, TAJIKISTaniAN, TURKMENISAaniAN, and UZBECKISTaniAN.
Next week's challenge: This is a spin-off of the on-air puzzle. Think of a familiar two-word phrase starting with T and ending with S, in which the interior letters name part of the human body. Remove the first and last letters of that word, and what remains will name another part of the human body. What's the phrase, and what are the body parts?
ReplyDeleteI'm having trouble finding any a clue that won't give the answer away.
DeleteThe on-air player today played before as the winner of a creative challenge (and was a runner up in two others).
ReplyDeleteI like to support them. :) --Margaret G.
ReplyDeleteIf body parts require a whole person to support them, someone is well-endowed.
DeleteThat was easy. Now back to bed. The hard part will be thinking of a good hint.
ReplyDeleteI think Margaret G. has already won the prize for best hint.
DeleteI predict this puzzle will break the record for correct entries. Absolutely.
ReplyDeleteBy design this puzzle was pretty easy.
ReplyDeleteLike jan and SDB, I am more amused by trying to find a suitable clue than by solving this puzzle.
ReplyDelete