Sunday, November 01, 2020

NPR Sunday Puzzle (Nov 1, 2020): Time for a Little Rock!

NPR Sunday Puzzle (Nov 1, 2020): Time for a Little Rock!
Q: Name a well-known U.S. city in two words (5,3). Change the first letter of the second word to name a popular rock group. Who is it?
They came together in 2017.

Edit: On March 30, 2017 the band played in the city.
A: GREEN BAY --> GREEN DAY

227 comments:

  1. Here's my standard reminder... don't post the answer or any hints that could lead directly to the answer (e.g. via a chain of thought, or an internet search) before the deadline of Thursday at 3pm ET. If you know the answer, click the link and submit it to NPR, but don't give it away here.

    You may provide indirect hints to the answer to show you know it, but make sure they don't give the answer away. You can openly discuss your hints and the answer after the Thursday deadline. Thank you.

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  2. I knew after last week's great puzzle we were now in for a really awful one. But did it really have to be this bad?

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  3. The city is well-known, but the rock group is not so well-known...

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    1. Hmmmm. Maybe not to Boomers.

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    2. I was born in 1963. This is a very well-known band.

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    3. I was born in 1948 and am also well aware of it.

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    4. Well known to the young and not-so-young.

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  4. Cool puzzle but, frankly, I'm glad it's over with.

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  5. I either have the answer to a clever puzzle, or a puzzle idea.

    Time will tell.

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  7. 1039 correct responses this week.

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    1. Surprised me, but it must mean 10039 this week.

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  8. Reminds me of a particular book by my favorite politics blogger.

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  9. Anagram the town. You get an animal you don’t want to be around.

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    1. Actually, either of two animals.

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    2. Yeah, but one one them is fictional?

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    3. Trust me, this animal has ate a lot more than letters!

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  10. I had to confirm my answer on the Internet and could almost hear my computer murmuring, "Okay, Boomer."

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    1. Immediately upon hearing the puzzle my wife said to me, "Well, I've got it, but you've never heard of the band." She was right.

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  12. You can edit most genes to get another popular rock group.

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  13. I’ve been to the state but not the city. Though I have cousins there.

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  14. Cheesy musical clue: “Fly Me To The Moon.”

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  15. Alternate puzzle

    Take another, more populous US city in two words (5, 3) and remove the first letter of the second word to name a different rock band.

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    2. Nice, jsb! Not only a more populous city, but also, I daresay, a more popular band.

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    3. So much for my alternate solution....and sending it in as a puzzle idea.

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    4. This was the first thing I thought of. Great band! A windy city...

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  16. The (5,3) part of the clue gives away too much. Had the puzzle said "8 letters total," it may have taken 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds to solve this puzzle.

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  17. Take a U.S. city two words. Move 5th letter of first word between its first and second letters. Drop last two letters. Now add to end of first name a term that means something is legit. To get two word term for a type of music.

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  18. The rock group has a hit song that may be apropos come Tuesday night (or even a few songs).

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    1. I came here to say the same thing! y'all are fast with the comments. :)

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  19. I certainly envy those who can come up with oblique references on this one so easily.

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  20. I envy someone who can turn the hatred of millions into a hit.

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    1. The traditional color of envy is green, of course. But my hint also alludes to two specific instances involving the intersection of the color green, music and politics.

      The first actually relates to this puzzle. When Trump visited the UK in 2018 local activists persuaded enough people to buy "American Idiot" by Green Day in some form or another to push it to #1 on the UK charts.

      Which is not the first time that Brits showed their contempt for a right wing politician through music. The week after Margaret Thatcher died in 2013 the song "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" made it to #2 on the charts. And the original subject of that song was, as we all know, green.

      For another example of British disrespect for the dead, but involving a different color, see Byron's epitaph for Lord Castlereagh: https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/epitaph-57/. The last two words are left for the reader to figure out.

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  21. This is an appropriate week for this puzzle.

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    1. The answer to one of my puzzles on Puzzleria was Packer+Nike->Kaepernick. The Packers are in Green Bay.

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  22. Funny puzzle. I’m cracking up.

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  23. I'm in a quandary, I thought of a well known city in 2 words (5,3), but I could drop, not change the first letter of the second word to get a rock group.

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  24. The mass transit system is a top attraction.

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  25. This puzzle has a ripple effect.

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  26. No clue here, just noting that the puzzler in me really wanted the band in the answer to be the GUESS WHO.

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    1. I wanted it to be *Santana*, but that didn't quite work.

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    2. " It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing" i.e last week.

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  28. A foreign exchange student pointed me to the right place.

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    1. Was it the same foreign exchange student?

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    2. SDB, I had to edit my earlier comment because a foreman was looking over my shoulder.

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    3. Please thank him for setting things up for my ad lib.

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    4. GREEN BAY, GREEN DAY Shameless references to 'That '70's Show' set in Point Place, WI in which the character Red Forman was a Green Bay Packers fan. The foreign exchange student had no name but was referred to by the loose acronym Fez.

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  29. Quote of the day:

    "If you're paranoid long enough, sooner or later you're gonna be right." - Kinky Friedman (b. November 1, 1944)

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    1. “Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.”
      ― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

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  31. Remember, everyone, today is the day we turn our clocks back. Let's hope Tuesday is the day we turn our nightmare back.

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    1. This is now the first (and sometimes only) question I am willing to ask in a political discussion: What do you think of the recent rise of fascism in the United States?

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    2. I could say a lot, but I will just say that I have been warning people for decades that we were heading in that direction. We got there 4 years ago and I told people this was the end of everything we had been working for. I hope I am wrong about what I see coming next. But hope is not a strategy. We can only overcome if we rebel and take the power from the despots.

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    3. Sdb: There seems to be no leadership. Titanic all over again.

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    4. Natasha,
      I like your Titanic reference. I have been telling people for years that I feel like the crew member on the Titanic who goes around trying to get the passengers to get into the lifeboats, but they do not pay attention because they have been told over and over that the Titanic is unsinkable. That is the way most of us here in the U.S.A. think about our country, but nevertheless it is sinking fast. It may be too late now because Americans are not in general willing to get involved, such as demonstrating. Oh yes some are, but they/we are not the mainstream, but those who have less to lose, at least at first, but that is about to change to where most have lost, but don't know what to do because it is too late. I take no pleasure in this; I wish I were wrong. I am not wrong.

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    5. Sdb: So now what? I have felt this negative energy increasing and am very stressed. Feeling doom approaching. I suspect you detect this too. I think you understand where I am coming from.

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    8. If, as we suspect, Trump refuses to accept defeat, then we must take to the streets and every other avenue to reach those who have power. There is no other way. It will almost certainly become very violent this time because Trump has laid all the groundwork. You must decide what the cost is worth. These are dangerous times beyond what most here realize yet. They soon will unless I am wrong. I hope I am wrong. I am not wrong.

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    9. Sdb: I sense what you wrote is true regarding groundwork. I fear there is much more to the story that would blow us away if we knew. The masses are naive. I have relatives who voted for him. Young ones.

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  32. Read this if you dare:

    https://medium.com/politics-fast-and-slow/the-battle-will-come-after-the-voting-is-over-a0353b529e7

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    1. Or this, which puts it all into a broader and deeper historical context:

      https://www.newstatesman.com/international/places/2020/09/return-american-fascism

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    2. Dr. K,

      Thanks. I just now finished reading it. It should be required reading in all our high schools.

      It reminds me of that idiot, Nathaniel Goldhagen's disgusting tome: Hitler's Willing Executioners, published in 1996. The premise being that it could only have happened in Germany, and certainly not in America.

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    3. Glad to oblige, sdb. In turn, I'm reminded of Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here, a book that needs revisiting. Unfortunately, those who should read it probably never will.

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  33. I hope everyone here enjoyed themselves solving this one. I know I did.

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    2. Natasha, Since I'm so in a different demographic from the majority of Blaine's bloggers, I followed your recommendation and got the answer. Most of the Rock groups I know are either dead or disbanded.

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    3. C a p, disbanded, eh? Dis band, dat band. . .

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    4. Hey you two, I hope we can be in as good a mood after Tuesday. WW, "Dis band, dat band", you're sounding like a Brooklyn native. I should know, because dat's where I was born. SDB, You've been beaten by the lady.

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    5. Disbanded or decomposing.

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    6. I had just walked in the door from food shopping and the instant I read that word I hit reply, but I should not go to Trader Joe's on Sundays and have to wait in that very long line to get in.

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    7. Got a book I think you might enjoy, SDB: Tyll, by Daniel Kehlmann. Based on the folk tales of Till Eulenspiegel (he of the merry pranks), but set in the 17th Century.

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    8. C a p, my roots are in neighboring Connecticut, dat's for sure.

      My cousin's husband became a deacon yesterday in St Patrick's cathedral in NYC. It was cool to watch the ceremony remotely. Masked and distanced.

      Their daughter sent a photo of the group standing in the middle of the street outside the 9 a.m. ceremony.

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    9. jan,
      Okay, I read the synopsis and put a hold request on it at the library. 30 holds ahead of me already. However I am not really into fantasy, but I take a closer look. Have you read Rage yet? It is worth reading.

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    10. WW Very cool. Been there one time.

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    11. WW: Congrats! I have been in there when I lived in nyc. I liked going in cathedrals in cambridge england and london.

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    12. Just six blocks from Trump Tower. Could be an interesting scene tomorrow night.

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  34. Good one. Enjoyed this puzzle. Very hard to give a hint.

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  35. song suggestion "Another one bites the dust?"

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  36. A horse of a different color.

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  37. I am jealous of the younger demographic on this website. But I did get the answer.

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  39. Think of a different city, 5,3. Delete the first letter of the second word and the result will name a popular rock group

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    1. I posted that above and Blaine deleted it!

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    2. jsulbyrne originally posted this alternate puzzle. I like to let people work on the alternate puzzles without the answer being revealed. Others also noticed the alternate puzzle and may have submitted it, so I further tried to make sure it wasn't spoiled. But I gave up after awhile when others mentioned Santana. And then Peggy posted this alternate puzzle yet again so I stopped trying to moderate the comments.

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    3. Got a black magic marker ...

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    4. Paul, thanks for the Santana earworm.

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  41. CAP: TKS. perhaps tmi. Will delete it.

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  42. Anyone else here have trick-or-treaters last night? Not at our house.

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    1. I wasn't home, but out and about with some friends and their son in Brooklyn. Lots of trick-or-treating with a very clever social-distancing solution: "candy chutes" made of cardboard, poster board, or PVC piping so that people could stand at the top of their stoop and drop the sweets down to the kids on the street.

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    2. My neighbor built a candy catapult and flung chocolate bars through the air to kids in our neighborhood. They loved it!

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    3. In my neighborhood, they were out on the evening of the 30th!

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  43. How many (5,3) two-word U.S. cities can you find? I have found 4. Can anyone do better?

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  44. Oh,I found over 20....Don't go nuts, Ron...I'm just pulling your chain!

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  45. There are two really well-crafted and fun puzzles by our friend Bobby Jacobs (screen name, "Bobby") that we are featuring on the current Puzzleria!
    There are nine other puzzles too, including one that involves "Biden & Czartrumpel."
    Stop on by!
    As for this week's NPR offering:
    I was so sure that my initial answer (the one that SuperZee, ron, Iris Corona, Peggy, Cap, Doxma33, Wordsmyth, jsulbryne, and likely others came up with) just had to Be Mr. Shortz's intended answer, that I assumed our esteemed Puzzlemaster had made an error in his puzzle text.
    He didn't, of course.

    LegoWhoIfHeWereToGiveAHintToTheNPRPuzzleItWouldBeToNameASouthernHemisphereCityWithAPopulationTwiceThatOfTheIntendedCity

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  46. Yea. Me . 0-4 for Bobbie's. Very fun. Very good. These might even challenge Ben.I don't know.

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  47. Here's another alternate puzzle, which I fear many people dismissed last Sunday as a literal observation: You can edit most genes to get another popular rock group.

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    1. Did you get my earlier one? Up top.Two word city.Move fifth letter to between 1 and 2 in first word....drop last two letters. Add term that means something is legit to get a type of music.

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    2. I tried, Plantsmith, but failed to crack it. Got into trouble fast working backwards from "country."

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    3. Well, it's a type of music. Words like rock, folk, or hip hop can't work, because they can't be pronounced when you remove the second letter. Anyway, I'll check back tomorrow to see what I missed.

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    4. I just finished reading " Not dead Yet."

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    5. If your query about the band being British refers to my puzzle, I never said it was a band. ;)

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    6. There is also a British group called.Gene.
      My puzzle- Castle Rock---Claste -Clas +sic= Classic Rock. sic as abbreviation for something legit.

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    7. Don't know Gene, but you can edit MOST GENES to get GEMSTONES, another popular "rock group." As a Stephen King fan, I should have thought of Castle Rock; sorry.

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  48. Thanks to Blaine’s clue, I’ve learned some new geography.

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  49. Here goes the day folks. Remember to periodically uncross your fingers to avoid necrosis!

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  50. At this precarious moment for our grant nation, some of us find solace in Puzzles.

    (Not that you know anyone like that...)

    I just re-solved and re-admired Jeremiah Farrell's AMAZING NYT Crossword Puzzle for Election Day 1996. Will Shortz evidently called it the most amazing puzzle he'd ever seen.

    And it's only a Tuesday Puzzle, so pretty solvable.

    If you've never seen it, start here for a blank grid. No spoilers.

    https://www.crosswordunclued.com/2009/01/nyt-election-day-crossword.html

    And if you remember this one, then click here for a graphic revealing its amazing secret.

    https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/clinton-1996-election-nyt-crossword-gif/

    Still fun!

    Ben

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    1. Ben, I remember that. Quite clever.

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    2. In retrospect, an analogous 2020 version could have been a 3-solution version, with these solutions:
      BIDEN ELECTED
      TRUMP ELECTED
      NOONE ELECTED

      Devising three (not just two) sets of different intersecting words would be an interesting exercise.

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    3. It's funny, but "NOONE" could refer to "Herman" of Herman's Hermits as well as Polyphemus.

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  51. Well, we've finished the long, grinding climb to the first huge hill on our old, well-worn roller coaster of an election.
    It is going to be a bumpy ride, with no assurance the car won't careen off into the night.
    Hold on.

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  52. Whatley said he had the answer. So I sen t it in but I've never heard of this band. I must have been under a rock for the last ten years.

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    1. Now, if you just heard Trump address the country, you know he threw us into a constitutional crisis. It is not for we the people to wait it out. It is up to we the people to demand all the votes to be counted and the will of the people respected. I have very little faith in the American people.

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    2. Looks hopeful this morning. Feeling better.

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    3. skydiveboy has very little faith in the American people.
      I have to agree on the day after just about half of them voted for the worst President, by far, in American history.
      To be sure it is clear that that half is stupid or crazy, it voted to keep the Senate Republican majority.

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  54. FINALLY got one of Blaine's clues!

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  55. 12 years ago today, Election Day 2008, I was in Culver City, CA, at Sony Pictures, playing Jeopardy! I played, and won, the Wednesday game, which aired on New Year’s Eve 2008. The other contestants and I went to lunch in the commissary, and I got to enjoy being the champ all through lunch. Then I played, and lost, the Thursday game, which aired on New Year’s Day 2009.

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    1. You were the only one to get the Final Jeopardy right, Shyra.

      I think they're now recording shows further in advance of the air date. Anyone know if that's right?

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    2. That is a cool story Iris/Shyra. Thanks.
      i can't say I remember you, but it is safe to say I watched you and was probably impressed

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    3. Pretty cool Iris. Jan - My friend was a three time champ in July 2019 on shows that taped around February/March of that year so I think you’re right.

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    4. Mendo, Jan is correct that I'm the only one who got the FJ. I had my hair in braids (they looked good in photos and seemed liked a good idea), and the correct FJ "question" was "Who is Speedy?" as is Mr. Alka-Seltzer. I also knew things like "Hasenpfeffer" and "Sense and Sensibility."

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    5. Well done, Iris, and an impressive finish.

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    6. Plop, plop,fizz,fizz.
      i seldom miss Jeopardy, though I failed two tryouts.
      The show has undergone some ups and downs over the years and is now somewhat down IMHO.
      I finally decided to look up CORYAT this morning; well, I'll be.
      I know how they keep contestants from early revelations, but not audiences.

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  56. I am now thinking even Mitch McConnell is at the stage where he is glad to be getting rid of Trump and his chaos. He most likely believes he will remain in control of the senate and find it easier to work with Joe Biden than the status quo. I suspect Trump has met his Waterloo and will no longer find many who will defend him. I hope I am right about this because he is trying to do anything he can to retain power. Perhaps this unexpected scenario will be our salvation. But please don't let's get complacent because Biden is not going to be our white knight either. We need to demand reform, but one step at a time.

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  57. When my wife gets up in the morning, her first question is not, "How did you sleep?", but "Do we have a new president yet?"

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    1. And this is the way it ends.
      Not with a bang but with a WI/MI/PA.

      [Tweeted by Will Roscoe @Goodish_Will]

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  58. I love the idea that someone anointed Steve Miller Band's Keep On Rocking Me Baby as the official song of the 2020 Vote Count.

    "I went from Phoenix Arizona all the way to Tacoma, Philadelphia Atlanta LA...."

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  59. Remembering the frustration of Obama's last years in office, I considered winning the White House without the Senate this year to be a disaster. (OK, not as big a disaster as failing to win the White House, but still a disaster.) If, as seems possible, the Senate ends up tied 50-50 (either before or after one or two January runoff elections in Georgia), who gets to be Majority Leader and decide committee chairs, etc.?

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    1. I'm not sure, but since the VP casts the deciding vote in case of Senate ties, I'm guessing the Majority leader would come from the VP's party.

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    2. I don't see how that follows. The tie-breaking function of the VP is in the Constitution, while the Senate's own rules govern committee assignments, etc.

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    3. I agree, and that's why I said I was guessing. The last time it happened was 2000, but to confuse matters there was some party switching a bit after the '01 inauguration. There is a Senate document explaining the history and evolution of the leadership, but I don't think it explicitly addresses the issue of an even split. I've included the link; see especially footnote 27, where it does seem that at the least an ad hoc agreement may have been made to deal with the problem by counting the VP.

      https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Majority_Minority_Leaders.htm

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    4. We in Colorado did our best with soon-to-be Senator Hickenlooper! Gardner ran some quite nasty ads against him.

      Our other Senator Bennet and Hick are fast friends. I watched them run a race through fountains at DMNS in front of a group of kids. They fit right in with that crowd.

      I thought a little levity today might be in order.

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    5. Thanks, Dr K! That certainly appears to clear it up.

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    6. I agree. It is still a disaster and Trump is still insisting the vote counting stop which does seem to bother the idiots who voted for him. What is going on in our schools that students graduate without having even a basic understanding of how our government is supposed to work? I still see this empire as being on the fast slide to doom. I would say that is good except for there not being a better alternative yet.

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    7. Another historical footnote to this discussion: after LBJ was elected Vice President he went to his Democratic colleagues in the Senate and suggested that he should remain Majority Leader, even though he was no longer a Senator, by virtue of his role as President of the Senate. He did his usual effective job of persuading his colleagues and thought that he had enough votes within the Democratic caucus to pull it off. But when the votes were counted behind closed doors his former colleagues rejected his suggestion and chose Mike Mansfield instead.

      As Johnson left the caucus room, still steaming from his rejection, he was surrounded by reporters who asked him what had happened in there. LBJ responded "Let me answer your question with a question of my own--what's the difference between a cactus and a caucus?" When none of the reporters spoke up Johnson supplied the answer: "The pricks are on the outside of the cactus."

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  60. Green Bay  Green Day.

    I first heard of this band after thinking of Green Bay and doing a computer search of rock bands with, “Green,” in their name. Must be getting old.

    It’s unfortunate that the alternative puzzle (Santa Ana  Santana) has been revealed here. Properly crafted it could have been turned into a fun challenge.

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  61. GREEN BAY —> GREEN DAY


    My clue: “Cool puzzle but, frankly, I’m glad it’s over with.”

    Actually, two clues:

    “Cool” —> Green Day’s drummer’s name is TrĂ© Cool

    and

    “I’m glad it’s over with” —> “Good Riddance (Time of Your Life),” one of Green Day’s most popular songs

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  62. GREEN BAY, Wisconsin → The Rock Group: GREEN DAY.

    I have found only 4 (5,3) two-word U.S. Cities:
    SANTA ANA, CA.
    GREEN BAY, WI.
    DEPOE BAY, OR.
    MORRO BAY, CA

    Did anyone come up with any other (5,3) two-word CITY ?

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    1. ron, here are more:
      North Bay, WI (pop 241)
      South Bay, FL (pop 4876)
      Cedar Key, FL (pop 702)
      They are not "cities".

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    2. HERE is a different Will Shortz challenge. See how you do.

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  63. GREEN BAY, GREEN DAY

    Actor Tony Shalhoub grew up in GREEN BAY and got his start acting in a high school production of The King and I.

    "This puzzle has a ripple effect." alluded to Mr. Whipple of toilet paper fame. GREEN BAY has the honor of being the Toilet Paper Capital of the U.S. Need any TP while we're at it?

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  64. GREEN BAY -> GREEN DAY

    > My niece went to high school with the son of the group's lead singer.

    Billy Joe Armstrong's kid went to Piedmont (CA) High at one point. (Given the band's name's reference to cannabis, one can assume they went many places High.)

    > A horse of a different color.

    How can a reddish-brown horse also be green?

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  65. I wrote, “Anagram the town. You get an animal you don’t want to be around.” That’s “angry bee.”

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    1. The other animal one would not want to be around is a BEERY NAG (horse).

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    2. And, in mating season, you should avoid ANY GREBE.

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  66. The answer could be found many ways: 8 letter cities (surprised), 2 word cities. 2 word rock groups.

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  67. My hint:
    LegoWhoIfHeWereToGiveAHintToTheNPRPuzzleItWouldBeToNameASouthernHemisphereCityWithAPopulationTwiceThatOfTheIntendedCity...
    alluded to the Gold Coast.
    "Coast" is anywhere the land meets a body of water; "Bay" is part of a body of water.
    "Gold" is a (Green Bay) Packer color; "Green" is the other Packer color.
    Coincidentally, our friend Bobby (Jacobs) offered us a puzzle on this past week's Puzzleria! (uploaded last Friday) that involved the Green Bay Packers. (I think Bobby may be clairvoyant!)
    As for tomorrow's Puzzleria! (uploaded in Friday's wee hours), we have a loaded menu:
    1. “Does Dan’s Dad even give a hoot?”
    (Our Schpuzzle of the Week, that involves the Boston Marathon)
    2. "All things thin and small, etc."
    (four tough-to-beat conundrums crafted by Mathew Huffman)
    3. “I got ‘the call’... and the lapel pin!”
    (a puzzle about "getting the call")
    4. "Cleveland rocks, Boulder rolls"
    (eight puzzles that riff-off Will Shortz's Green Bay/Day NPR puzzle)
    5. "Tundra and lightning rodomontade"
    (a Dessert, like Baked Alaska, about the frozen tundra... and its connection to a current ubiquitous phrase)
    That 15 puzzles!
    Stop by for some fun.

    LegoWhoIsAProudGreenBayPackerFan!

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  68. Green Bay, Green Day

    I wrote "smile" because I am told that Wisconsin people are "cheeseheads"!

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  69. Green Bay, Green Day

    I didn't leave a clue last Sunday.

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  70. I offered "Fly Me To The Moon" as a "cheesy" musical clue. The cheese part should be obvious enough. As for the moon, Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong shares his last name with the first man to walk on it.

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  71. I believe only one time Blaine's clue lead me to an answer and that was the Celine Dion puzzle.

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  72. My clues -

    I have cousins there - Kirk cousins, quarterback of the Vikings, was playing in Green Bay on Sunday.

    A song by rock group that may be apropos on Tuesday - Good Riddance by Green Day.

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